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Richie
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Feb 15, 2012 00:42
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Coventry had better win their next game or I will be even more miffed. 
Why would it surprise you so much. Our team is rubbish right now. It's in it's worst state since 2006/07 (relative to league). Disjointed, incomplete, unbalanced. Poor.
All the hard work undone.
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dlw10
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Feb 15, 2012 01:38
Right, we are back home, I have had a couple of crumpets and a whacking great whisky and things don't look quite so bad...
....OK, I'm lying about how things look. Bleak! Very bleak. My lad and I consider this to have been our worst performance of the season. Barnsley was bad (away more than home), Watford away was dreadful, and we have had a few poor halves in other games. On tonight's perfomance my first reaction is that none, none of our players are good enough. You can argue a case I suppose for Snoddy although I thought he was poor on saturday and again tonight, if he is a Premiership player, fit enough for a Premiership club, then I am a Dutchman. He can be good enough at this level on his day though. No one played as well as we know they can tonight, and in the circumstances, supposedly fighting the corner for a bloke they wanted as manager, that is unacceptable. Tonight at least ensured we do know that Redfearn is not the next Leeds manager - I'd go as far as to say if Bates appointed him, I would then not go and watch Leeds United again. (Not even brave saying that, it cannot happen).
I would hope that Redfearn himself comes out tonight or tomorrow morning and holds his hands up, and says "If the chairman wants me to look after the team for saturday, then I will, but then I will step asside" - I would see that as a good move on his part in recognising "he aint the guy" as Bob Dylan said in a different context.
I now don't care who comes in between Warnock or McCarthy. I would be nervous about many of the other names being talked about, but either I think has got the stature, nouse and respect to get hold of this lot of players and give them a bloody good shaking. I am convinced there is some skill and ability in this squad, but belief and confidence and matchcraft there is not. Being generous, you have to say we have a lot of youngsters who, as others have said, need a strong leader on the pitch, a leader we do not currently have in the club, never mind on the field. In time, many of our young players will be solid players at this level, I am unsure if any of them will make it any higher. There just has to be something very wrong with our match preparation, our fitness, our match nouse, our basic skills - it is all down to the coaching. The Leeds fans behind us this evening started singing "there is only one Simon Grayson" tonight as if to say we shouldn't have sacked him. They are wrong - these are Simon's players, probably still playing as he coached them to. I will not accept either that we have got monkeys because we pay peanuts. This group of players is among the better paid in the Championship yet we are being out fought and out played by teams on less than half the budget AND we know these players individually have more than they are giving us. I personally think promotion is now gone - anyone coming in has a huge job to turn our performances around, but it is urgent that it happens NOW. If I woke up to hear MM or NW had been appointed tomorrow I'd think that was the start. Ken Bates does need to make a statement before the weekend - (which may still be difficult if this delay has been becasue the person he wants isnt yet "available" for whatever reason.
The Bates - Out chant was heard a lot tonight again, I hate hearing it during the game and believe that is not helping the players on the pitch one iota. At one point, a lady near me turned to them when they were also singing "get out of our club" and tried to point out that it is "his" club. Again, I know that is controversial in itself, but he owns it, he is running it, other than the "campaign for change" work going on , which I am coming round to see is a worthwhile attempt to push things along, we have to accept the status quo. Our only help we can give is to support the players, difficult as that is on a night like tonight. It was good to see at least Clayton and Snoddy come right to the edge of the pitch in front of us tonight at the end of the game, that at least showed they do care. They all desperately need some guidance.
4 - 0 I said, last thing before I left for the game. You know what, I am already convincing myself that something will change in time for saturday, and I might go with 4 - 0 to Leeds again then! MOT everyone, things can only get better.
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Maplewhite
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Feb 15, 2012 02:45
It's our club. If it wasn't for us then Bates wouldn't need to look for a manager as he wouldn't have 28 players nor ER to keep paying for as he couldn't. Take us away and there is nowt.
Reason: Big stubby fingers striking a little keyboard.
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bogdan
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Feb 15, 2012 03:11
Richie
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Coventry had better win their next game or I will be even more miffed.
Why would it surprise you so much.
I said to Sheepy after the game today, what will hurt even more is that Coventry will now go to other mediocre teams and will lose convincingly, and at the end of the season they will still be bloody relegated more than likely. With 4 points off us to keep as a trophy and a nice memory from that tw*t McSheffrey who pranced about in front of the Leeds end after the first penno.
As RW posted, better less said tonight as the mood ain't pretty.
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Feb 15, 2012 10:41
The only thing to come out of last night is that NR isn't good enough, so bring in Colin or McCarthy and maybe just maybe we might get something out of this season. As an aside according Simon said Robbie would drop straight in to the side he hasn't even been on the bench yet.
MOT
COLIN IN !!!!!
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birkybullufc
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Feb 15, 2012 11:15
dlw10
Right, we are back home, I have had a couple of crumpets and a whacking great whisky and things don't look quite so bad...
....OK, I'm lying about how things look. Bleak! Very bleak. My lad and I consider this to have been our worst performance of the season. Barnsley was bad (away more than home), Watford away was dreadful, and we have had a few poor halves in other games. On tonight's perfomance my first reaction is that none, none of our players are good enough. You can argue a case I suppose for Snoddy although I thought he was poor on saturday and again tonight, if he is a Premiership player, fit enough for a Premiership club, then I am a Dutchman. He can be good enough at this level on his day though. No one played as well as we know they can tonight, and in the circumstances, supposedly fighting the corner for a bloke they wanted as manager, that is unacceptable. Tonight at least ensured we do know that Redfearn is not the next Leeds manager - I'd go as far as to say if Bates appointed him, I would then not go and watch Leeds United again. (Not even brave saying that, it cannot happen).
I would hope that Redfearn himself comes out tonight or tomorrow morning and holds his hands up, and says "If the chairman wants me to look after the team for saturday, then I will, but then I will step asside" - I would see that as a good move on his part in recognising "he aint the guy" as Bob Dylan said in a different context.
I now don't care who comes in between Warnock or McCarthy. I would be nervous about many of the other names being talked about, but either I think has got the stature, nouse and respect to get hold of this lot of players and give them a bloody good shaking. I am convinced there is some skill and ability in this squad, but belief and confidence and matchcraft there is not. Being generous, you have to say we have a lot of youngsters who, as others have said, need a strong leader on the pitch, a leader we do not currently have in the club, never mind on the field. In time, many of our young players will be solid players at this level, I am unsure if any of them will make it any higher. There just has to be something very wrong with our match preparation, our fitness, our match nouse, our basic skills - it is all down to the coaching. The Leeds fans behind us this evening started singing "there is only one Simon Grayson" tonight as if to say we shouldn't have sacked him. They are wrong - these are Simon's players, probably still playing as he coached them to. I will not accept either that we have got monkeys because we pay peanuts. This group of players is among the better paid in the Championship yet we are being out fought and out played by teams on less than half the budget AND we know these players individually have more than they are giving us. I personally think promotion is now gone - anyone coming in has a huge job to turn our performances around, but it is urgent that it happens NOW. If I woke up to hear MM or NW had been appointed tomorrow I'd think that was the start. Ken Bates does need to make a statement before the weekend - (which may still be difficult if this delay has been becasue the person he wants isnt yet "available" for whatever reason.
The Bates - Out chant was heard a lot tonight again, I hate hearing it during the game and believe that is not helping the players on the pitch one iota. At one point, a lady near me turned to them when they were also singing "get out of our club" and tried to point out that it is "his" club. Again, I know that is controversial in itself, but he owns it, he is running it, other than the "campaign for change" work going on , which I am coming round to see is a worthwhile attempt to push things along, we have to accept the status quo. Our only help we can give is to support the players, difficult as that is on a night like tonight. It was good to see at least Clayton and Snoddy come right to the edge of the pitch in front of us tonight at the end of the game, that at least showed they do care. They all desperately need some guidance.
4 - 0 I said, last thing before I left for the game. You know what, I am already convincing myself that something will change in time for saturday, and I might go with 4 - 0 to Leeds again then! MOT everyone, things can only get better.
This is not Ken Bates' club. Yes he owns it, but the one constant at a club is it's fans. Managers, players, directors and chairman come and go. The sooner Bates goes the better. While he is here though he needs to get a decent manager in and back him with funds. He is happy enough to tell the fans to cuss off.
It really is worrying when Von DLW's optimism is on the wane.
These are SG's players but all bought on the cheap because of no budget. He also had better players at the club which the board failed to retain or cashed in on. Many of them were the leaders on the pitch. The one player left of real quality is Robert Snodgrass. He is premier league quality but he can't do it all on his own. Stop Snoddy and you stop Leeds. I preffered the footie we played under Gary Mac than under SG but SG got results. Having to rebuild his squad on the cheap each season does not aid him in getting them to play attractive football. If he was still in charge we would be closer to the play-offs.
One upside from the club delaying appointing a new manager is that at least now there will be no real expectations of reaching the play-offs and they can start to rebuild for next season early. There lack of urgency has put pay to that ambition.
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Feb 15, 2012 11:40
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Any Leeds fan spending money on this lot are actually now supporting Bate's regime. A statement that I will again be vilified for but blind faith is getting us nowhere. Lack of profit is the only thing that will stop Bates.
Well said 
I don't know about being vilified RSS for saying we're supporting the Bates regime, it's still Leeds United we're supporting, not the owners or alleged owners or whatever their stance is these days, but I will say that your opinion isn't entirely right and certainly isn't the answer. and blind faith? Do me a favour, what is supporting a struggling football club other than blind faith? 
And maybe it's easier for Leeds fans who don't live in the city to say those of us who have renewed ST's are foolish to 'keep funding Bates', but the point is, none of us actually know what the way is to get Bates out. (and that is NOT a dig at anyone, honestly) Personally, I don't think there is only one way to get him out, I thnk LUST are doing a great stealth job. Realistically too, there will never be enough supporters withdrawing their spending to persuade Bates to leave, no matter how many of you refuse to believe it, it might help him realise that the stayaway fans MEAN something, but there isn't one simple solution. I've been ridiculed for saying that there will be a lot of people 'damaged' by that sort of action before Bates is affected, but I believe it. Starving the club isn't the answer, it just isn't.
Now I'VE been vilified for renewing my ST. Tell you what, it's about 8th on my list of Things That Worry Me
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Davycc
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Feb 15, 2012 13:34
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You are right in saying it must be easier for those living further away from ER to say stop going and stop funding. I say this as a die hard Leeds supporter for 40 yrs ( at times when we first fell from grace it was very hard as over here its mostly scummers or Liverpool supporters so they had a great time) I don't get to many games, goodness knows with KB's prices its costly enough for a local to attend a game and unfortunately my money needs spending on less enjoyable (if thats the case these days) things than getting to a game. What I'm trying to say and rambling is this, yes I can stop funding a lot easier than a local supporter who's as passionate as me, will I turn down any chance to get to a game ? sorry no way I love the feeling of hairs standing on the back of my neck when I see ER up close.
I see both sides to the argument and see good and bad in both but as for the answer ! at the minute I can only see mother nature or the man above having a say in that, how long can KB go on.
What ever your views on how we go forward lets all do it supporting LUFC
MOT
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Feb 15, 2012 13:42
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You are right in saying it must be easier for those living further away from ER to say stop going and stop funding. I say this as a die hard Leeds supporter for 40 yrs ( at times when we first fell from grace it was very hard as over here its mostly scummers or Liverpool supporters so they had a great time) I don't get to many games, goodness knows with KB's prices its costly enough for a local to attend a game and unfortunately my money needs spending on less enjoyable (if thats the case these days) things than getting to a game. What I'm trying to say and rambling is this, yes I can stop funding a lot easier than a local supporter who's as passionate as me, will I turn down any chance to get to a game ? sorry no way I love the feeling of hairs standing on the back of my neck when I see ER up close.
I see both sides to the argument and see good and bad in both but as for the answer ! at the minute I can only see mother nature or the man above having a say in that, how long can KB go on.
What ever your views on how we go forward lets all do it supporting LUFC
MOT
i'm glad you see it that way Davy, I was worried that the comment might have seemed like I was challenging supporters' loyalty to our club. I'm not of course, there are lots of Leeds fans who live away from the county who have been to - and continue going to - more Leeds games than I have. Regardless of someone's opinion on Bates, I only see arguing between ourselves as something Bates very possibly enjoys. Fallouts amongst the fanbase is just stupid.
A possibly controversial point of view here - if you stop going to watch Leeds then how do you prove you're a Leeds fan anymore? Starve the club of funds and it won't be Bates suffering, it will be the club. And so bitter & twisted is he, I strongly suspect, he would rather the club die before conceding that the Bates Out supporters are right.
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sheepy
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Feb 15, 2012 14:31
The worst thing about last night for me was the fact that Redfearn failed to make two obvious substitutions:
O'Brien in for O'Dea because O'Dea seemed scared of that big lanky centre forward and refused to stay tight to him.
And at half time (before Delph was injured) to bring in Brown for Becchio because the midfield was running around like headless chickens.
Redfearn does not have a chance of getting the job now, I could manage leeds and make us that shit.
Miffed
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Pecky10
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Feb 15, 2012 14:55
Just read last two pages of posts and along with what I heard from NW last night and DLW on Twitter, I´m pretty disheatened. ´even dragged myself in from the sun to share that with you 
My biggest fear now that Huddersfield have sacked Clarke is that Bates will take the cheap option and get him in. He is absolutely the wrong person for the job which makes him ideal for Bates. MM and NW )the other one!) are better managers and much as I hate Warnock, I would rather see him in charge than Clarke.
Can't see anything happening before Saturday so again fear the worst - maybe even compounded by being at ER where we will have more fans being vocal about Bates and the team.
Disappointed of Tenerife 
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RamseyWhite
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Feb 15, 2012 16:17
The anger from last night has slightly abated but it still leaves a sour taste not only because of the poor performance but also because of the inept display of our caretaker manager.
By sticking with the same players it is very worrying that he believes this is our only formation. We got out of jail at Bristol playing against 9 men; this was followed by an average performance against Brighton & then culminated in an exceedingly poor display last night.
It really does provide further evidence that our players are just not good enough.
Changes need to be made & I was somewhat surprised that he failed to acknowledge any last night.
I am also astounded once again of the failure to see some strikers on the bench particullary as he saw the need to replace our leading scorer.
And with the all the hype about Robbie Rogers, why has he not figured in the squad?
Another issue which I am uncertain about is whether the loan of Smith & Townsend is justified, from what I have witnessed we do have players in the squad who are as good so what is the point in keeping these players any longer particularly if they fail to hold down a first team place.
The other topic of withdrawing our support & hoping Bates changes direction is not an option in my opinion. It might be OK for a fair weather supporter to withdrawn their occasional support & there’s nought wrong with that if that’s how they feel. For those of us who go regularly we could never do that because Leeds United is a big part of our weekly life & for me I am just thankful I am fit & able to go to the matches. I also despise listening to a leeds match when I could be there in person. In any case a low turnout at ER will do nothing to inspire the players who lets face need all the help they can get at the moment.
I do feel that Lust is the best mechanism to try & force Bates to change his direction & people should be encouraged to join & attend marches/ demonstrations, this not only shows strength in numbers but attracts good media attention.
Last night I thought the fans were pretty patient until that decision to take off McCormack. After that it was a tirade of abuse not only against Bates but also against NR which must have hurt particularly after a noisy rendition of ‘There Only One Simon Grayson’
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sheepy
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Feb 15, 2012 16:28
Bang on RW, agree 200%
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bogdan
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Feb 15, 2012 19:38
Anyone read Danny Pugh's thoughts on the game here?
"We're gutted," said Danny. "We threw away it in the last minute again.
No you didn't, Danny. We had nothing to throw away in the final minute, cause a point was embarassing enough. We threw it away for the 90 minutes, simple as.
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PockWhite
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Feb 15, 2012 19:45
My neighbour is a Cov fan and we nearly, oh so nearly went together last night. Thank God, for several reasons, we didn't!
Needless to say, today, we've kept all our curtains shut and not been over the threshold!
I think, yes only think, we have enough points in the bag to avoid relegation.
But this last 2-3 weeks, I don't know about any of you lot, I've found myself not looking out for how West Ham/Soton did to see if we're catching them, nor how, for example, are Cardiff/M'boro/Blackpool etc doing to see how we're placed in terms of jockeying for the Play Off places? Rather my first looks have been to see how Donny/Brizzle/Cov/Trees etc have done and to sigh a sigh of relief if they've lost, or only drawn, so we're not getting any nearer to them in the relegation places!
Doom and gloom hangs heavily over the Pock house today/tonight! 
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