Bigsocks
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Mar 12, 2012 22:19
aww poor Simon Grayson unbeaten in 5 games winning 2 of them, with a scoring average of 2 goals per game, not bad for a so called wannaB 
Got to love the loyalty we show, when our new manager only needs to win once, draw 0-0 twice and lose 1-0 to the bottom club, with a scoring average of half a goal per game to be rated our saviour and better manager  (tongue in cheek)
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Barlow Boy
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Mar 12, 2012 22:27
This is a very good thread, and something we were talking about at work today following on from yesterday.
Firstly, Longergan. Seems a bit more relaxed to me, much more confident in the air and although he made an error very late on yesterday he has been terrific under Warnock (he could do nothing about Lambert's goal for Saints). Is this something to do with Warnock taking the captains job off him, meaning he can concentrate on his job ?.
A goalkeeper in form, brings added confidence to the back four and earlier posts have mentioned O'Dea. Absolutely awesome yesterday with his Terry Butcher bandage, ignore his poor positional sense for the Saints goal and he has improved ten fold. Hopefully, he can keep this up because he looked drained before Warnock came in.
Another master stroke from Warnock is Robinson who for me was MOM yesterday, he reminds me of Ian Harte. His header from under the bar was excellent, and the way he took man and ball on more than one occasion was great to see and back to the good old days of defending.
Lees is looking stronger, but I am still not sure about Connolly and feel he needs a good run in the team and the more a steady back four play together the better.
In a nutshell, much more confidence with defending starting from the front.
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Bigsocks
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Mar 12, 2012 22:41
Bigsocks
aww poor Simon Grayson unbeaten in 5 games winning 2 of them, with a scoring average of 2 goals per game, not bad for a so called wannaB
Got to love the loyalty we show, when our new manager only needs to win once, draw 0-0 twice and lose 1-0 to the bottom club, with a scoring average of half a goal per game to be rated our saviour and better manager (tongue in cheek)
And before anyone picks up on the fact we didnt lose 1-0 to the bottom club, we infact drew 0-0.. i know!! 
but i cant edit my posts here, or at least i dont know how
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USA for Leeds
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Mar 12, 2012 23:07
Lonners might be playing better, but there's no question that if he is, it is not in terms of stopping the ball. The big change is what is happening in front of him. The defense is preventing good scoring opportunities. That is the biggest change.
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Richie
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Mar 12, 2012 23:27
What ever has happened, I love it.
I'm actually enjoying us not letting goals in over us scoring goals (for now of course). It's such a relief.
Long may it continue. MOT
still #batesout
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YorkWhite
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Mar 13, 2012 13:16
Think a few people have mentioned , think the reason our defence is so much tighter is the work going on infront of them. We are defending as a team & the workrate has been massive. Brown & Clayts are mopping up alot of stuff before it gets anywhere near the defence, at times this season teams have got at our back 4 with ease, it made it inevitable something would give in most games.
What impresses me is that NW has watched a couple of games before taking over & immediately figured out what was wrong, something SG unfortunately didnt manage in his time at Leeds.
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Cymru White
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Mar 13, 2012 14:28
In no particular order
Organisation
Pride
Work ethic
MOT
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birkybullufc
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Mar 13, 2012 15:04
I think our defensive improvement is down to a combination of all the things mentioned. Work rate, pressing up the field, defending from the front, organisation, players playing with belief and confidence instilled in them by the manager. When the players go on the pitch they will all be clear exactly what Neil Warnock expects from them. SG was a good manager. When Bates sacked him he had to replace him with someone better. He has done so with Warnock. In order to get results consistently players have to do the basics right, work as a team and cut out the personal errors. The quality of the players will take care of the rest.
Looking after the ball when we have it also takes the pressure off the defence. The balls played to Becchio in the recent games have been a lot better. In to his body where he can hold it up and bring other players into the game, instead of the hoof balls which had become the norm. Macca has also got closer to Becchio and has linked up with him better. It has made us more dangerous on the break and takes the pressure off the defence instead of seeing the ball come straight back at us.The team also looks fitter. 'Boro didn't look like getting into the game as we were first to everything. We dominated possesion even though Clayton on the ball was pretty terrible.
I think consistency in the line-up has also helped. Many of us on here questioned wether SG ever new what his best line-up was or best formation. Warnock clearly does. He will already know which positions he needs to improve in the summer.
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18longleeds
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Mar 13, 2012 15:07
Its because Grayson manages with the score more than the opposition philosophy and that can be seen with the amount of 3-2's we saw under him , where as Warnock trys to stop the ball going in our net and then nicking 1 or 2 goals and suppose if you don't concede then you can't lose.
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sheepy
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Mar 13, 2012 16:06
Thats pretty much bang on Max 
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MW91
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Mar 13, 2012 18:22
Warnock hasn't improved our defence, he's improved our midfield. The improvement is mostly evident in Brown and Clayton winning the ball and keeping the ball before it gets to the back line, as such we're not inviting pressure onto ourselves as often. We still looked suspect against 'Boro when they attacked, it was just that they don't get as many opportunities to.
That was my take on it anyway.
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Costy
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Mar 13, 2012 20:16
MW91
Warnock hasn't improved our defence, he's improved our midfield. The improvement is mostly evident in Brown and Clayton winning the ball and keeping the ball before it gets to the back line, as such we're not inviting pressure onto ourselves as often. We still looked suspect against 'Boro when they attacked, it was just that they don't get as many opportunities to.
That was my take on it anyway.
There was definitely more tenacity in our midfield which we've lacked for ages, and it was probably that which won us the game. I just hope it won't be at the expense of quality as Clayton, probably our best user of the ball, had a very poor game when he was in possession I thought. I know someone else has said the same thing earlier. He looked as if all the closing down and harrassing had drained him of the energy to do something with it. I guess if Warnock is making him feel like he needs to run through brick walls for the cause then it will build his stamina and hopefully he'll develop into the kind of midfielder who can maintain this work rate and use the ball intelligently. Then we'll have a great player on our hands.
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dlw10
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Mar 13, 2012 23:10
MW91
Warnock hasn't improved our defence, he's improved our midfield. The improvement is mostly evident in Brown and Clayton winning the ball and keeping the ball before it gets to the back line, as such we're not inviting pressure onto ourselves as often. We still looked suspect against 'Boro when they attacked, it was just that they don't get as many opportunities to.
That was my take on it anyway.
That is exactly how I see it. A handful of examples at the Riverside highlighted that we aint perfect at the back yet - better but not rock solid- but we are stopping the opposition testing us as often.
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MOT1964
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Mar 14, 2012 00:43
Also NW is superb at man management ........ he knows how to get the best out of each player which is something that Grayson was unable to do.
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Bigsocks
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Mar 14, 2012 01:45
MOT1964
Also NW is superb at man management ........ he knows how to get the best out of each player which is something that Grayson was unable to do.
Really? hmmm ive gotta say im very surprised at the love NW is shown here! for what? 2x 0-0, a loss and one win...lol YAAAAAY!!
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bogdan
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Mar 14, 2012 01:51
Bigsocks
Really? hmmm ive gotta say im very surprised at the love NW is shown here! for what? 2x 0-0, a loss and one win...lol YAAAAAY!!
It's not about results themselves (still, deserved a win against high-flying leaders, speaks volumes). It's a different attitude and it's clean sheets. If you've seen only the Boro game, you've pretty much witnessed a change in attitude, an attitude we hadn't had in months under Grayson.
Warnock is shown this kind of love because with his experience behind him, we can be pretty sure the transformation is not a stroke of luck. It's a man who knows his business, working his charm. 
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Bigsocks
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Mar 20, 2012 23:57
Slice of humble pie anyone? 
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MW91
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Mar 21, 2012 00:35
MW91
Warnock hasn't improved our defence, he's improved our midfield. The improvement is mostly evident in Brown and Clayton winning the ball and keeping the ball before it gets to the back line, as such we're not inviting pressure onto ourselves as often. We still looked suspect against 'Boro when they attacked, it was just that they don't get as many opportunities to.
That was my take on it anyway.
Bigsocks
Slice of humble pie anyone?
Stand by what I said. Today Forest packed the midfield, meaning Clayton and Brown couldn't cover the defence and thus, our we were exposed at the back.
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isrodger
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Mar 21, 2012 21:24
There is a saying ... You can't polish a turd... Crap personell .. Crap team ... Poor results. We are a worse team than in league 1 ... This is down to lack of investment ... We have got 5 players 3 after Clapton and snoddy refuse contract extensions... We can not continue to lose the likes of howson, Johnson, gradel, beckfords, schmical, delph and replace them with free transfers and expect to compete. As regards the defence naylor and kisnorbo just came to there end of there shelf life. Without £5m spending on this team its league 1 rather than the premiership we will be looking at!
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saintjimmy
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Mar 21, 2012 22:23
Was thinking near to £7 million plus wages myself, a whole lot of coin at this level .
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