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Barlow Boy
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Mar 16, 2012 19:59
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.......Danny Webber!
Just think Webber looks hungry. Robinson did OK against Boro but I am not sure Danny Pugh wouldn't have done better. I am a big fan of Danny Pugh and as you all know, not quite such a big fan of Ross (oops, I'm down again) McCormack.
DLW I follow your posts with interest. When I cannot make the game myself, which unfortunately is far too often these days (see my new member post), then I am eagerly awaiting your in depth analysis of the game.
However, this is surely a wind up in relation to Robinson. He was, by far, the best player against Boro and must play from the start tomorrow. As someone said, and I said elsewhere, his header from the under the bar was Premier League quality and his man and ball challenges fantastic. I go with an unchanged team tomorrow, although I must admit to your Webber comments but feel he is fantastic from the bench with a tiring defence to go at.
For what it's worth I believe Ross to be adequate at best, with far too many shots going wide or straight at the keeper. I remember at least 3 which have not even made the keeper work in the last few games. I get serious grief in the office for that, and I see you do on here, so someone must be wrong and by the looks of it that's you and me (even the commentators were praising him as he left the field against Boro).
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dlw10
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Mar 16, 2012 21:47
Barlow Boy
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.......Danny Webber!
Just think Webber looks hungry. Robinson did OK against Boro but I am not sure Danny Pugh wouldn't have done better. I am a big fan of Danny Pugh and as you all know, not quite such a big fan of Ross (oops, I'm down again) McCormack.
DLW I follow your posts with interest. When I cannot make the game myself, which unfortunately is far too often these days (see my new member post), then I am eagerly awaiting your in depth analysis of the game.
However, this is surely a wind up in relation to Robinson. He was, by far, the best player against Boro and must play from the start tomorrow. As someone said, and I said elsewhere, his header from the under the bar was Premier League quality and his man and ball challenges fantastic. I go with an unchanged team tomorrow, although I must admit to your Webber comments but feel he is fantastic from the bench with a tiring defence to go at.
For what it's worth I believe Ross to be adequate at best, with far too many shots going wide or straight at the keeper. I remember at least 3 which have not even made the keeper work in the last few games. I get serious grief in the office for that, and I see you do on here, so someone must be wrong and by the looks of it that's you and me (even the commentators were praising him as he left the field against Boro).
No it wasn't a wind up - I havent said PR had a bad game, I think I said he was solid or something like that. Yes, goal saving header from under the bar, yes one bone-crunching chalenge down in the corner in front of us at the end of the first half. Other than that though he never really caught my eye as much as say O'Dea, who most people have said was the real MOTM, albeit he was particularly visible once he got his Kisnorno on!
Brown was outstanding all through so he must be either 1 or 2 for MOTM, and then I thought Becchio had a wonderful game again holding the ball up. Hence best I could place Robbo was sort of 4th equal with all the others.
To be fair my pevious piece was a tad tongue in cheek just to get a debate going and to rekindle all the pro Mac folk. The main thing is they are all on fire at the moment - even Mac, so my point really is that I think someone else might be more devastating working off Becchio than him.
I'm rambling now...just had half a bottle of red! As long as they all continue to give 100% then tomorrow could be one hell of a game.
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bogdan
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Mar 16, 2012 21:56
I agree with DLW on this one, about Robinson. I was actually starting to give a bit of a frown to every time that headed clearance was mentioned - it was excellent, but didn't warrant a MOTM award and the guy just did his job thoroughly otherwise, which can be said for a few other players in that game.
I think the issue is we've got used to such a low standard of effort, accuracy and 90-minute commitment with this team in the last few months, that now we are easily impressed with any player that just does the basics well, and continues to do so throughout an entire game. In fact, this kind of consistency is the least needed to get a team challenging for the Premier League.
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dlw10
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Mar 16, 2012 22:10
bogdan
I agree with DLW on this one, about Robinson. I was actually starting to give a bit of a frown to every time that headed clearance was mentioned - it was excellent, but didn't warrant a MOTM award and the guy just did his job thoroughly otherwise, which can be said for a few other players in that game.
I think the issue is we've got used to such a low standard of effort, accuracy and 90-minute commitment with this team in the last few months, that now we are easily impressed with any player that just does the basics well, and continues to do so throughout an entire game. In fact, this kind of consistency is the least needed to get a team challenging for the Premier League.
Bogdan, if you don't start to argue with me soon I will have to find another forum! I miss those heated debates we had back in the autumn! 
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bogdan
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Mar 16, 2012 22:13
BatesOut! Just wanted to confirm that I met with him tonight to give him his competition ticket.
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Pecky10
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Mar 16, 2012 22:16
bogdan
I agree with DLW on this one, about Robinson. I was actually starting to give a bit of a frown to every time that headed clearance was mentioned - it was excellent, but didn't warrant a MOTM award and the guy just did his job thoroughly otherwise, which can be said for a few other players in that game.
I have to say I concur, largely at least.
I thought Robinson had an excellent debut; communicating with the other three, doing his job and showing total commitment, given he'd only trained with the lads, what four times max? But in reality it was a solid, professional performance, the likes of which we've been denied for years so I think it's easy to get a bit carried away because we're comparing it to crapness. He was excellent, in many games gone by he'd have got a MOM but a few players were even better, good to see.
For me there wasn't a bad performance from anyone last week; I have mixed views (fence-sitter) on Macca but on Saturday his workrate (from TV only) seemed excellent and as a former centre-forward, sometimes it can be harsh to judge strikers on goals alone. I know I "created" a shed-load of goals by being a nuisance (I know, hard to believe  ) by drawing defenders out of position, enabling space to be created for someone else to stick the ball in the back of the net and I see a lot of that in Macca; he's always moving and that in itself causes problems for defenders, it doesn't always have to be in the 18-yd box to be effective. So yes, he missed some gilt-edged chances but let's not lose sight of his effort and contribution, I thought he too had a great game.
Tomorrow I am in the lap of the text and twitter gods for information but am hoping that I get word of as many Leeds goals as I have pints of Guinness It may be a tall order - potentially because the good folk at Twickenham have seen St Patrick's Day as an ideal time to set a new World record for most pints of Guinness sold at a single venue in one day and I like to help where I can (!) - but I live in hope!
I stick by my predictions..... 3-1 home win. And a gate of 33.010  MOT
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Barlow Boy
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Mar 16, 2012 22:22
Well as a newish member of the forum, and only just back at ER, I am not going to argue with the more experienced members on points which they are far more experienced.
However, I stand my ground on Robbo at Boro. He was immense and fully deserved an MOM in my opinion.
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bogdan
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Mar 16, 2012 22:28
No argument assumed, and no backing down necessary, mate. 
I keep saying Becchio is a lazy git who I'd want out of the team, but an overwhelming majority of posts, coupled with his annoying habit of getting on the scoresheet every once in a while, pretty much sends my opinion in the dark corner of the room, facing the wall in shame.
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Pecky10
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Mar 16, 2012 22:37
bogdan
I keep saying Becchio is a lazy git who I'd want out of the team, but an overwhelming majority of posts, coupled with his annoying habit of getting on the scoresheet every once in a while, pretty much sends my opinion in the dark corner of the room, facing the wall in shame.
I seem to be starting a centre-forwards union (really, we are so under-rated at times, we do so much more than just score bloody goals!!) but I thought Becchio had a better game on Saturday than for a long time. Mostly first half I concede and I thought he might have fallen asleep for a while after half time but when he was awake I thought he had a good game and did get a second wind eventually.
For me, his performance improved on Sunday largely because balls were played into body/feet which he controlled well and distributed effectibely, a big improvement on the ball being lumped forward for him to head down.
Better team performance = better individual performances
Centreforwardsunion.com
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18longleeds
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Mar 16, 2012 22:41
Pecky10
bogdan
I keep saying Becchio is a lazy git who I'd want out of the team, but an overwhelming majority of posts, coupled with his annoying habit of getting on the scoresheet every once in a while, pretty much sends my opinion in the dark corner of the room, facing the wall in shame.
I seem to be starting a centre-forwards union (really, we are so under-rated at times, we do so much more than just score bloody goals!!) but I thought Becchio had a better game on Saturday than for a long time. Mostly first half I concede and I thought he might have fallen asleep for a while after half time but when he was awake I thought he had a good game and did get a second wind eventually.
For me, his performance improved on Sunday largely because balls were played into body/feet which he controlled well and distributed effectibely, a big improvement on the ball being lumped forward for him to head down.
Better team performance = better individual performances
Centreforwardsunion.com
Contradicting your self a bit there 
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bogdan
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Mar 16, 2012 22:47
Yes, some of his game has been very good recently. He does get a fair bit of luck sometimes as well. If we look at his last 2 goals, against Doncaster he got a cracking shot in, but only after a first effort that was in danger of producing a throw in. At Boro, his through ball to Ross was slightly misplaced and very much mis-powered (word existence?), it was only defender error and McCormack insistence that eventually set up Luciano for the easy goal.
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Mar 16, 2012 22:56
No official Talkers meet planned for Saturday but I will be meeting my mate Neil (not Warnock) in the White Hart @ 13.30 hrs.
PM me if anyone is interested in a meet up.
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dlw10
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Mar 16, 2012 22:57
Barlow Boy
Well as a newish member of the forum, and only just back at ER, I am not going to argue with the more experienced members on points which they are far more experienced.
However, I stand my ground on Robbo at Boro. He was immense and fully deserved an MOM in my opinion.
Hey, with a record breaking Avatar like you use (1,000 did the man say?) you are quite within your rights to stand your ground! At the end of the day it goes dark...I love that one...no, seriously at the end of the day that's what this game is all about. We all see something different and no one can exactly know what is going on on that pitch all the time....well, apart from Saint Neil, oh and Pecky, oh and Bogdan usually, except for his Becchio musings! You should see my lad and me arguing during the game, and we are both watching it from the same point, with the same beer on board, with the same background, he just shades it in the eyesight stakes for anything going on at the other end.
Enjoy your comments BB keep em coming.
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Barlow Boy
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Mar 16, 2012 23:01
bogdan
No argument assumed, and no backing down necessary, mate.
I keep saying Becchio is a lazy git who I'd want out of the team, but an overwhelming majority of posts, coupled with his annoying habit of getting on the scoresheet every once in a while, pretty much sends my opinion in the dark corner of the room, facing the wall in shame.
Well that just sums up different views Bogdan, I think Becchio has been fantastic (I wish I could have a fiver every time he won a header).
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bogdan
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Mar 16, 2012 23:04
I can't argue that, mate, he's excellent at that. It's just what he does before and afterwards, as well as every time a gust of wind happens to go across the pitch that unsettles me. 
I'm being harsh, he has indeed been great of late, but I have my little obsessions with specifics moments of watching him spend 90 minutes on the pitch.
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Pecky10
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Mar 16, 2012 23:17
dlw10
What did I do now??  Stop picking on the girl  Bah
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Pecky10
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Mar 16, 2012 23:19
18longleeds
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bogdan
I keep saying Becchio is a lazy git who I'd want out of the team, but an overwhelming majority of posts, coupled with his annoying habit of getting on the scoresheet every once in a while, pretty much sends my opinion in the dark corner of the room, facing the wall in shame.
I seem to be starting a centre-forwards union (really, we are so under-rated at times, we do so much more than just score bloody goals!!) but I thought Becchio had a better game on Saturday than for a long time. Mostly first half I concede and I thought he might have fallen asleep for a while after half time but when he was awake I thought he had a good game and did get a second wind eventually.
For me, his performance improved on Sunday largely because balls were played into body/feet which he controlled well and distributed effectibely, a big improvement on the ball being lumped forward for him to head down.
Better team performance = better individual performances
Centreforwardsunion.com
Contradicting your self a bit there
Bah!! You know what I mean, it's been a long week
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Reason: tired :(
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dlw10
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Mar 16, 2012 23:26
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dlw10
What did I do now?? Stop picking on the girl Bah
I was using your uncanny insight into attendances the other day as an illustrative comparison to most of us and our poor ability to assess anything! And you have some "professional" experience on the pitch which most of us never got anywhere near!
That qualifies you more than most to comment!
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dlw10
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Mar 16, 2012 23:35
Summary from football news247 that confirms what we already knew about WHU injuries. Interestingly that writer is also giving Robinson's game against Boro a good plug.
http://www.footballnews247.co....w-17032012
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Pecky10
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Mar 17, 2012 00:09
dlw10
Pecky10
dlw10
What did I do now?? Stop picking on the girl Bah
And you have some "professional" experience on the pitch which most of us never got anywhere near!
That qualifies you more than most to comment!
I guess in relative terms, yeah I played above average level; Brighton were in premier league when I played for them so I was lucky to be led by some fantastic coaches; I had to learn as a CF that goals aren't everything; if I could engage defenders enough by keep drawing them out and giving them something to think about all the time, it meant I could probably take 2 defenders out of the game, then my compadre would get the space to get the goals; not great when your team-mate gets all the credit for the goals when actually your industry caused it, but it's for the greater good.
Managers see it, fans dont always, guess that's why I can appreciate Macca a bit more than just goals-games ratio. Not aimed at DLW, just commentary from experience.
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