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Deebo
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May 24, 2012 08:07
Pecky10
Our anthem is MOT. Let's not forget that, please.
I think you will find its not our anthem anymore... External Link 
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isrodger
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May 24, 2012 08:07
Bigsocks
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Bigsocks
What's so farfetch'd about that? You seem to get a little irate when fan's only differ with your views in a calm way
I have no problem with different opinions, but you and isrodger just seem hellbent on anything that could possibly, in your view, touch Bates in any way. Which is fine, because he commands a lot of hate, but there is a line to be drawn when it comes to actually wishing for more bad news, more team disintegration, less things working out, anything that could take us backwards because you're convinced this will get him out. We've come through a decade of highs and lows and when we have a little bit of a grip in this division for a change we're now wishing to go back, even lower than before, just in the blind hope that he will ef off? I'm not making any kind of defence for the situation and the news coming in, but that is ridiculous in my book.
What you are essentially doing is mimicking his own style of blasting everything just for the sake of justifying a personal feeling of vendetta. In your eyes it's irrelevant what the club can go through if it means (allegedly) it will piss him off or scare him off. Well that's what adds to the whole ludicrous nature of this argument. If there's one thing I know after so many years with Bates there, it's that he is not easily impressed. Fans abuse? He revels in it, it makes him speak louder, more often, and diss more of it back. A player running down his contract? How many of them have we had over the last few years? He'll make the money back just from renting "us" the ground. If expenses are so high on his priority list, why won't he shut down Yorkshire Radio, a constant loss-making enterprise?
I like the contrast of portraying him as the shrewd businessman that cares about each and every penny, but then banking on the big scare he will get by abuse that will become "intolerable". The realisation of the fact that he's been here 8 years and yet it would be another slump that would chase him away (provoked by his own persistent refusal to decisively move forward, so this would allegedly take him by surprise?). He is meticulous and calculated on one hand, but fragile and unaware of dwindling gates, vulnerable to fans saying bad things about him. And of course, once he departs, under any circumstances and leaving us in any situation, we can all be safe in the knowledge that things will be looking up, because by that time we'll probably be in League Two. Not great travelling at Fleetwood for a game, but at least I'll know some of our fans are happy we've gone low enough to bore off Bates.
So yes, I do get irate when I know the one constant in me supporting the club is wanting to exercise this option for as long as I am able to, and honestly (foolishly, if you will) hoping we improve and move forward. It won't be related on who is the manager and who is in charge. I can be aware of all the implications, get downhearted by it throughout the week, but when I go in the ground, I will be hoping to see our good players there and putting an effort in. And as and when they choose or are forced to leave, excuse me for not breaking out in hysterical laughter over the thought of Ken Bates losing any money, as I'll have the little concern of the actual team I'm supporting doing less well without them.
I'm not hellbent nor do i have any personal vendetta towards Bates, infact i said he is a good business man, and that alone demands a lot of respect. Everything you wrote in your quote is how you see i see things. I do however believe KB is the worst person to walk through ER doors since Bian Cough!
Also it's not just isrodger and i who share these views, and fast growning number of Leeds fans are also beating the same war drums, and in my view many many more will be playing the same tune.
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts .
I lke your posts, as Sheepy says we need a blance of views on the forum so we get a wider range of views, to improve our own, but i wont shoot down your views in a patronising mannor.
You might be right and KB give NW the funds to says he wants, and NW might win us promotion, or i might be right that KB wont and NW wont get us in the play-offs and do well just to keep us up next season.. who knows for sure? They are just views we have as Leeds fans.
But what is clear more and more share the view that Ken Bates needs to be ousted at all cost!
MOT
Well said big socks.... Non of us want the club to fail. For me the ward signing will be pivotal ..... If it doesnt happen i fear de ja vu. At that point we are just suggesting it may be better to suffer shirt term pain for long term gain. Come on bogden ... Give us a cuddle!
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Bigsocks
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May 24, 2012 08:08
Pecky10
DLW mentioned the fair play pay scale, which reminded me of something. I heard an interview with one of the West Ham management team after the play-off final.
He stated that had they not got back to the Premier League, the new rules would have meant selling 10 (yes, ten!) of their first team to meet the rules. Now some of their players will be on a tidy whack but I also "hear" that most of them are on little more than what we've offered Snoddy.
The FA/FL are effectively setting the wage budget now, not the clubs. If we lose players to Ipswich or Burnley over wages it will be cos none of the other players are on anything like it. In my opinion that will cause discord internally and especially with the fans (look at effect Carroll, Torres had) so as frustrating as it is, it's just not that simple now. And maybe that's the frustration NW is experiencing.
As I said before, there's always more to a signing than money so I think we all have to be patient and keep the faith, including NW.
Our anthem is MOT. Let's not forget that, please.
MOT in the way we all want the best for Leeds? Think we all do MOT 
I remember the 8 years in this league before, every year i was thinking we will win the League Everyone connected to Leeds were positive, from the fans to directors all of us MOT !.
Each year we would make our team stronger and each year we would be the bookies fav's for a reason. Although it took us 8 years to make it, we all felt we were trying our hardest, up's and down's is part of the game, but al least we tried.
But its different now, very different with the directors lying to us, not spending anywhere near to what is needed.. We need everyone connected to Leeds to MOT, the fans will always be there
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Pecky10
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May 24, 2012 08:10
Bigsocks
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts.
I don't think that's entirely fair BS, I've not been a member here much longer than you and if that aura existed, I wouldn't still be here, let alone have racked up as many posts as I have. The best thing about this forum above all others is that all opinions are respected, maybe not agreed with, but respected certainly.
Bigsocks
But what is clear more and more share the view that Ken Bates needs to be ousted at all cost!
Disagree totally with the last three words.
Pompey remain on verge of closure, as do Rangers. I've had first hand experience of a club being in that position and believe me, that is no fun for anyone. Is that really what you're prepared to accept for ousting Bates, no Leeds United?!
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- May 24, 2012 08:11.
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Barney
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May 24, 2012 09:10
IMO Bates is the single biggest problem with our club at the moment and has been since he's come here. We've been either dropping or languishing on the pitch since he came in with no signs of any real progress being made where it counts most...on the pitch.
This talk of him having saved LUFC is crap talk IMO. He got the club for peanuts,took us into administration,brought us out of administration incorrectly (I'd like to say illegally but I know sheepy doesn't own a suit for a court appearance!),got us 2 separate points deductions,has ripped us,the fans off,with his pricing structures,has consistently sold our best talent without reinvesting even fractions of the amounts received back into the team...and he's still here spouting his propaganda...we really are a forgiving bunch,us Leeds fans!
It is still early in the transfer window,there is still time for us to pick up the pace and give warnock what he wants and needs and I do trust warnock to do what is best for us if (and it is a massive if) he is backed by Bates.
This talk of "get behind the team" and "MOT" is all well and good but how much longer can we be expected to put up with news of collapsed transfer deals and disappointment. If hitler was owner of LUFC,should we still blindly march on together behind him?
With or without Ken Bates there will always be a Leeds United. He is not and was not out saviour. He saw an opportunity,jumped on it and has been making a fortune off us since. He bought the club underhandedly,brought us into administration,retained the club underhandedly and has enjoyed milking us "morons" for all he could over the last number of years.
It seems from some posts on here that his propaganda is starting to work. Talk of "if this player doesn't want to sign then we don't want him" or "if he doesn't want to accept the pay increase he's been offered,let him go". This is happening for too long now for it to be the "greedy players" faults. Player after player after player have refused to sign new contracts they've been offered over the past number of years. Our best academy products have been sold on. We consistently hear of being in talks with players only for failing to reach agreement over terms. Pecky said above about ward that she'd heard he didn't agree terms and that was basically his fault...I heard he wanted to come to us only for us to fail to come up with the 400k cash Portsmouth are looking for. This from a business that turns over more than 30m per year? From a club who have sold scmeichel,gradel and howson each for multiples of that 400k?
I'm still relatively optimistic as its early and purely because warnock is in charge but I do wonder for how much longer given what seems to be happening with his transfer targets who he openly stated he wanted to have signed as early as possible.
We're still all MOT....but behind Leeds United and not Ken Bates.
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- May 24, 2012 09:13.
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Bigsocks
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May 24, 2012 09:27
Pecky10
Bigsocks
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts.
I don't think that's entirely fair BS, I've not been a member here much longer than you and if that aura existed, I wouldn't still be here, let alone have racked up as many posts as I have. The best thing about this forum above all others is that all opinions are respected, maybe not agreed with, but respected certainly.
Bigsocks
But what is clear more and more share the view that Ken Bates needs to be ousted at all cost!
Disagree totally with the last three words.
Pompey remain on verge of closure, as do Rangers. I've had first hand experience of a club being in that position and believe me, that is no fun for anyone. Is that really what you're prepared to accept for ousting Bates, no Leeds United?!
If you want to split hairs over my Quotes i will start saying: "at all cost! - apart from kidnapping his family and hold to ransom, unscrewing the wheel nuts on his private jet, etc etc", to link "at all cost" with Leeds closing is a little unfair balance of what i meant, and to the extreme to say the least
And top post when you say "I don't think that's entirely fair BS" then say about your experiences here. It was how "i" felt and see towards some other members here, so it should be fair that i feel that way, if its right or wrong, it's a feeling i'm sharing.
I do not share the "keep the faith" sentiments, but at the same time i will never doubt every Leeds fan who posts on this forum have one thing in common, we ALL want the best for Leeds, and we all MOT even at a time of slpit views.
But i will say hand on heart, all the years ive been a Leeds fan i dont remember a time when the fan's had such a split view about how the club is being run, Leeds are in limbo and that will course a split in views. Even under Ridsdale we shared pretty much the same view, one minute we all think its great, the next awful, no split. Ken Bates has us balanced between going up and going down, it will cause a big slit in views, as one is Heaven  the other Hell. 
Anyway lets hope "keep the faith" peeps are right
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bogdan
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May 24, 2012 09:40
Pecky10
Bigsocks
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts.
I don't think that's entirely fair BS, I've not been a member here much longer than you and if that aura existed, I wouldn't still be here, let alone have racked up as many posts as I have. The best thing about this forum above all others is that all opinions are respected, maybe not agreed with, but respected certainly.
I think my last post put forward some genuine arguments and actual questions, and in return all I got was the consideration that I am patronising and hold a feeling of righteousness. I am still to see it explained how it is guaranteed that this short term pain would be long term gain, and how it all adds up so logically and predictably. Maybe my gusto in putting the point across detracts from the stance itself, but never is the fervour taken to mean that maybe some people do put forward some astonishing points that lend themselves better to bewilderment than patient dissecting.
As for trying to be positive and patient, I am all in favour, but we set ourselves up for expectation when we embraced Warnock and put our trust in his plan and ambitions for this summer, from May up to the first kick of the ball into next season. These are his own landmarks that are now being overrun in a greater number than they are being met. I trust him to steer around and through them, but I would have been more hopeful to see them achieved.
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bogdan
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May 24, 2012 09:42
Warnock on Snodgrass
Snodgrass plans to speak to Leeds about his situation next month and implied that his decision would rest heavily on the calibre of the summer signings made by Warnock.
Warnock said: “He knows what I think about him and I don’t blame him. I know he’s saying ‘let’s see how ambitious the club are.’
“When I spoke to him he said to me ‘12 months ago it was (Max) Gradel, (Bradley) Johnson, Howson and me’ and now he’s the only one left. I understand where he’s coming from.
“I see both sides and I also understand the club having to get the money they could for Howson because his contract was up six months later but it doesn’t help the fans. They want to see a top team and, quite honestly, you’ve seen with my retained list that I don’t think we’re anywhere near as good as we should be with the size of this club.
“He is going to wait and see who we sign and how the situation develops. I’ve seen some of his comments and he’s come out and said he’s heard it all before at the club. Snods has been here longer than me so he probably knows more about the politics than I do.”
Warnock has completed only one summer signing so far - the £500,000 capture of centre-back Jason Pearce from Portsmouth - despite aiming to seal at least three deals before departing on holiday later this week.
A move for Portsmouth right-back Joel Ward appeared no closer to completion today with Leeds still to put up the fee needed to secure the transfer.
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Bigsocks
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May 24, 2012 10:22
bogdan
Warnock on Snodgrass
Snodgrass plans to speak to Leeds about his situation next month and implied that his decision would rest heavily on the calibre of the summer signings made by Warnock.
Warnock said: “He knows what I think about him and I don’t blame him. I know he’s saying ‘let’s see how ambitious the club are.’
“When I spoke to him he said to me ‘12 months ago it was (Max) Gradel, (Bradley) Johnson, Howson and me’ and now he’s the only one left. I understand where he’s coming from.
“I see both sides and I also understand the club having to get the money they could for Howson because his contract was up six months later but it doesn’t help the fans. They want to see a top team and, quite honestly, you’ve seen with my retained list that I don’t think we’re anywhere near as good as we should be with the size of this club.
“He is going to wait and see who we sign and how the situation develops. I’ve seen some of his comments and he’s come out and said he’s heard it all before at the club. Snods has been here longer than me so he probably knows more about the politics than I do.”
Warnock has completed only one summer signing so far - the £500,000 capture of centre-back Jason Pearce from Portsmouth - despite aiming to seal at least three deals before departing on holiday later this week.
A move for Portsmouth right-back Joel Ward appeared no closer to completion today with Leeds still to put up the fee needed to secure the transfer.
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You have to respect Snod's, it seems pretty clear he would love to stay with us Warnock did say when Snod's see's his wanted list he will want to stay. and in fairness Snod's has took the once bitten twice shy attitude and hasn't rushed into signing or moving on..
Would be a shame to lose any good player who loves playing for us, fingers crossed !
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bogdan
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May 24, 2012 10:29
Bigsocks
You have to respect Snod's, it seems pretty clear he would love to stay with us Warnock did say when Snod's see's his wanted list he will want to stay. and in fairness Snod's has took the once bitten twice shy attitude and hasn't rushed into signing or moving on..
Definitely, and it's as clear and easy as it's ever going to get - make a move to add some good players and everyone looks likely to pull together. Allow them to fall through and nobody will believe it anymore.
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May 24, 2012 10:37
bogdan
Pecky10
Bigsocks
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts.
I don't think that's entirely fair BS, I've not been a member here much longer than you and if that aura existed, I wouldn't still be here, let alone have racked up as many posts as I have. The best thing about this forum above all others is that all opinions are respected, maybe not agreed with, but respected certainly.
I think my last post put forward some genuine arguments and actual questions, and in return all I got was the consideration that I am patronising and hold a feeling of righteousness. I am still to see it explained how it is guaranteed that this short term pain would be long term gain, and how it all adds up so logically and predictably. Maybe my gusto in putting the point across detracts from the stance itself, but never is the fervour taken to mean that maybe some people do put forward some astonishing points that lend themselves better to bewilderment than patient dissecting.
As for trying to be positive and patient, I am all in favour, but we set ourselves up for expectation when we embraced Warnock and put our trust in his plan and ambitions for this summer, from May up to the first kick of the ball into next season. These are his own landmarks that are now being overrun in a greater number than they are being met. I trust him to steer around and through them, but I would have been more hopeful to see them achieved.
blimey lads n lass, cool down the lot of you!
Question: Who's the enemy here?
Answer: none of you!
So if anyone has something controversial or contentious to say, choose your words wisely so none of it turns personal.
Detention later if you don't behave better
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isrodger
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May 24, 2012 10:51
onenorthernsoul
bogdan
Pecky10
Bigsocks
Sometimes i do feel your replies carry a tone of righteousness, as if your views are worh more or more accurate than others who have less than a 1000 posts.
I don't think that's entirely fair BS, I've not been a member here much longer than you and if that aura existed, I wouldn't still be here, let alone have racked up as many posts as I have. The best thing about this forum above all others is that all opinions are respected, maybe not agreed with, but respected certainly.
I think my last post put forward some genuine arguments and actual questions, and in return all I got was the consideration that I am patronising and hold a feeling of righteousness. I am still to see it explained how it is guaranteed that this short term pain would be long term gain, and how it all adds up so logically and predictably. Maybe my gusto in putting the point across detracts from the stance itself, but never is the fervour taken to mean that maybe some people do put forward some astonishing points that lend themselves better to bewilderment than patient dissecting.
As for trying to be positive and patient, I am all in favour, but we set ourselves up for expectation when we embraced Warnock and put our trust in his plan and ambitions for this summer, from May up to the first kick of the ball into next season. These are his own landmarks that are now being overrun in a greater number than they are being met. I trust him to steer around and through them, but I would have been more hopeful to see them achieved.
blimey lads n lass, cool down the lot of you!
Question: Who's the enemy here?
Answer: none of you!
So if anyone has something controversial or contentious to say, choose your words wisely so none of it turns personal.
Detention later if you don't behave better
Well said ONS ... However as I said bates has got us infighting... I have decided to have a word with my mates in the Corsican mafia... It's the only way to deal with uncle ken me thinks.
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May 24, 2012 11:25
Forget the Corsican Mafia mate i had adream last night.
Monaco Gp this weekend Unfortunately a car came off the track.
The car hit a yacht with a old man & a balding puppy
Good news the driver escaped unscathed.
Unfortunately old man & puppy died.
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Number8
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May 24, 2012 11:29
I think we will still sign ward, maybe im blinkered but warnock installs belief in me. However i dont think the only thing stopping it is because we havent put u the 400k. If we didnt have 400k why would warnock of even gone in for him? Imo ward is still looking at his options or hes trying to get a bit more money, then again im not the brightest so im probably wrong.
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May 24, 2012 11:39
Number8
I think we will still sign ward, maybe im blinkered but warnock installs belief in me. However i dont think the only thing stopping it is because we havent put u the 400k. If we didnt have 400k why would warnock of even gone in for him? Imo ward is still looking at his options or hes trying to get a bit more money, then again im not the brightest so im probably wrong.
Going way off topic here.
Are you a Kiwi mate?
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Pecky10
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May 24, 2012 11:45
onenorthernsoul
blimey lads n lass, cool down the lot of you!
Question: Who's the enemy here?
Answer: none of you!
So if anyone has something controversial or contentious to say, choose your words wisely so none of it turns personal.
Detention later if you don't behave better
The point I was trying (badly it seems) to make was that this forum is as accepting of someone who's posted three times as someone who's posted three thousand times.
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isrodger
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May 24, 2012 11:48
Number8
I think we will still sign ward, maybe im blinkered but warnock installs belief in me. However i dont think the only thing stopping it is because we havent put u the 400k. If we didnt have 400k why would warnock of even gone in for him? Imo ward is still looking at his options or hes trying to get a bit more money, then again im not the brightest so im probably wrong.
None are privy to what had gone on .... I hope the deal is agreed and Harvey has sais sit tight ward.... Pick up your wages and we will give you a bonus of say 20% of any saving transfer fee differential and salary. If it was Daniel levy negotiating the deal I would be confident... But it's Harvey and bates! Also sends wrong message to snoddy and co.
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May 24, 2012 11:52
Pecky10
onenorthernsoul
blimey lads n lass, cool down the lot of you!
Question: Who's the enemy here?
Answer: none of you!
So if anyone has something controversial or contentious to say, choose your words wisely so none of it turns personal.
Detention later if you don't behave better
The point I was trying (badly it seems) to make was that this forum is as accepting of someone who's posted three times as someone who's posted three thousand times.
I included you because I didnt want you feeling overlooked
I don't like reading arguments, and that includes when it's me arguing too  , and the really long-winded posts inc. quotes are nearly as annoying as giddykippers suggesting we buy any player available who they like the sound of or who has done really well on one of them Footie Management games and putting it in the Transfer Rumour thread, but that's very possibly because I'm a miserable middle-aged sod
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May 24, 2012 12:08
onenorthernsoul
Pecky10
onenorthernsoul
I don't like reading arguments, and that includes when it's me arguing too , and the really long-winded posts inc. quotes are nearly as annoying as giddykippers suggesting we buy any player available who they like the sound of or who has done really well on one of them Footie Management games and putting it in the Transfer Rumour thread, but that's very possibly because I'm a miserable middle-aged sod
Heard Chelsea have offered £32 million for Lucas Moura from Brazil. Signed him for Leeds in FM2012 for £22milion and he's done cuss all apart from moan about being homesick. 
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May 24, 2012 12:09
The Johnson
Number8
I think we will still sign ward, maybe im blinkered but warnock installs belief in me. However i dont think the only thing stopping it is because we havent put u the 400k. If we didnt have 400k why would warnock of even gone in for him? Imo ward is still looking at his options or hes trying to get a bit more money, then again im not the brightest so im probably wrong.
Going way off topic here.
Are you a Kiwi mate?
. Going way off topic of transfers and contracts?? No im not a kiwi
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