NottinghamWhite
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Apr 09, 2012 19:31
Well I for one can not wait for the season to finish. We have a Chairman who will not invest in the team but will spend silly money on corporate facilities. We are so easy to beat at Elland Road it is a joke, no passion from the team and thus no passion from the fans.
Is Warnock the man to take us forward ? I think that if there is no investment then he will walk. We struggled in League 1 but had the likes of Howson, Johnson, Beckford and Gradel, who do we have at the moment ? Even Andy Hughes gave 100% each game not like the current squad.
Bates Out!
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18longleeds
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Apr 09, 2012 19:45
Can see it now on Thursday after the talks on Tuesday and Wednesday. Warnock sacked in transfer pot shocker.
I still think we should have kept Grayson until the end of the season and its proving to be the case.
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saintjimmy
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Apr 09, 2012 19:55
Aye' what a disapointment too, but think we can all say it was no surprise due to the lack of investment from the club in pre season, selling Max at the last minute , no new players of real quality coming in just freebies and raggy dolls nobody else wanted.
The club have to lay their marker down straight away and let NW get the players he wants, and it will be AT LEAST six signings of real quality we need, come on Ken they don't put pockets in shrouds y'know.
MOT
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sheepy
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Apr 09, 2012 19:58
Not sure about keeping Grayson until the end of the season, I don't think Grayson could have taken us up and waiting longer would have meant Warnock would probably have not been available.
I think we need the experience of Warnock to turn the club around, Grayson did very well with us but he left us with a squad of average League One and Lower Championship players, fair enough they were players that got us out of League One but now we need someone who can lift us onto the next rung of the ladder.
Grayson did not have massive resources, Bates clearly did not trust him, but I think Bates trusts Warnock and I trust Warnock too, he has a track record of turning clubs around. Look at what he did at Sheff U.
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18longleeds
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Apr 09, 2012 20:06
I think he was doing the best he could similar points tally to last season at the same stage bearing in mind the players we lost, and did not replace. If Warnock gets a decent shot at bringing some players in and we get off to a decent start ill agree, but still say with Bates at the helm , we are going no where.
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Cymru White
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Apr 09, 2012 20:12
Well under Grayson we were a top half of the table championship team, punching above it's weight.
Under Warnock, we're middle of the table championship team, unable to perform.
Warnock is supposed to be the great man manager. Everytime he opens his mouth, he just repeats the same old 'this squad isn't good enough' speech and suprise, suprise, the performances go down. Not suprising is it, when the boss keeps telling you your cr@p all the time, you start to believe it.
I know this isn't the team of players he wants, but come on show some respect. Work with what you've got and motivate them, not beat them down.
MOT (and regretting Warnock came here)
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bogdan
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Apr 09, 2012 20:39
Cymru White
I know this isn't the team of players he wants, but come on show some respect. Work with what you've got and motivate them, not beat them down.
What's the point in telling everyone you think they're the dog's doodars in public and them in the summer kicking them out the door? I've had enough pillow talk interviews from Grayson, and the players hardly showed any respect for him in his final months at the club.
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ruelfox
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Apr 09, 2012 21:01
Nobodys mentioned the fact he failed to sign anyone on loan,He obivously didnt try hard enough to get players in. With 2 or 3 experienced players we could have easily been in the playoffs with the way the results have gone in our favour.
I think aswel the fact he so publicly gave up on our season when we were still in contention is a disgrace.
In any team or business if the person at the top doesnt believe then thats going to filter through to the players.Is it any wonder the team have no confidence.
Im very disappointed with his start,but he could turn it around.We will have to see who he signs in the summer.
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bogdan
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Apr 09, 2012 21:05
ruelfox
Nobodys mentioned the fact he failed to sign anyone on loan,He obivously didnt try hard enough to get players in.
Exactly! It's not like he signed Danny Webber or Paul Robinson.
Oh wait... 
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Socrates
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Apr 09, 2012 21:06
I was one who wanted a change from Grayson and wanted Warnock as manager. I got what I asked for so therefore have resisted commenting on the forum after matches etc.
Having been to every game since NW got the job I cam honestly say the meeting with KB and his yes man will go along way in determining whether Leeds United have ambition to be back where we should be, or end up being just another regional club that gives the smaller clubs in the area (and their fans) a nice day out...
Apart from the spirited performance at Millwall the performances have been worse than i can remember in recent years - I have been surprised how forthright NW has been in his views on the squad so that can't be helping the team. And yes, we all want the season to be over.
I believe in the boss but its now down to Bates to back him - but after his meeting this week i wouldn't blame him if he walked if Bates said there is no money. Warnock is out to prove QPR and others wrong that he has what it takes to manage in the Prem and that's what is driving him on. He could have gone for higher wages somewhere else but he wants his final glory with Leeds...
Just want to say to those fans at the Reading game - you were fantastic!
Finally, those of you who are STILL going on about Grayson - Nice guy and everything but lets support Warnock now. I will trust his signings (if he gets any money!) over Grayson anyday - SG blew it when he failed to get the team motivated enough to get into the playoffs last season and with the momentum gone (look at Norwich and Southampton/Brighton this season) the team lost its way. He is at a small club somewhere near Manchester now - good luck to him but lets look forwards 
I'm sure we will find out very soon what happened at the meeting!!
MOT
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NottinghamWhite
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Apr 09, 2012 21:41
I for one am feeling totally deflated at the moment, our great club under the ownership of Bates does not sit well with me. Maybe there is a clause in the Administration that is holding Bates back ? Not too sure on the ramifications of who we will still owe money to if we do achieve promotion.
Have watched Leeds since 1968 and feel we are at an all time low, call me a drama queen if you must but even in the 80's we had players who wanted to play for the club unlike today. At least we ruled the terraces 
I'll stick with living on the past and look forward to seeing my boyhood heroes at different events, though feel that Pete Lorimer has let me down.
Going to games used to give me a buzz but now it's just a chore but enjoy seeing folk from off here and lads that have stayed loyal to the cause.
This season is over and the way I feel next season as well. Where will the next generation of Leeds fans come from ? That probably is my greatest fear a club steeped in tradition but the bulk of fans are a certain age and there are no youngsters coming through.
Please feel free to quote me in the future but Colin will not be at the helm next season, he is not a yes man and Bates will will not put his hand in his pocket.
Sad times in my opinion.
Bates Out!
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Teanwhite
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Apr 09, 2012 22:23
Under Grayson, he was sacked with us 3 pts off the play offs... today, we are a long way off. Grayson had his faults... but he should not have been sacked the day after the transfer window closed! Good one Ken!
Well Grayson's gone, we should get behind warnock... however I'm not a fan, but however hard it will be under his guidance, I will always be behind the 11 who wear the shirt.
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ruelfox
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Apr 09, 2012 22:24
What i meant was he didnt sign anyone before the deadline when it was clear we needed more players,and he knew the odea and clayton yellow card situation. For the record the signing of webber hasnt really worked,if he hasnt started a game for fitness reasons or whatever,it cant be viewed as a success. Robinson was a good signing,just a shame he didnt get 2 or 3 more like him in.
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sheepy
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Apr 09, 2012 22:25
oh boy are we a fickle bunch! When Grayson was in charge we would spit blood when he would say we had played reasonably well and we would thrust our heads into our hands in aspiration when another transfer window went by and Grayson would tell us how close we was to getting 2 or 3 players in but their agents let us down.
We now have a guy with a proven track record at this level and to boot, he tells us how it is. He may well come out and say in so many words that we have rubbish players, but guess what, we do, and guess what else, look at the table it does not lie. We are mid-table and we should consider ourselves lucky that we are not in a relegation battle because we don't have the players who have the heart to dig the team out of a hole.
Say what you like about Warnock, love him or hate him, but the fact is he is the best available manager to turn the club around. A lot, a hell of a lot depends on Bates because Warnock needs backing but if he is backed (and I believe he will be, because Bates is a lot of things but he is not daft) he will lift our club up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Grayson took us as far as he could, he signed too many loan players who did not care and spent the little he had on below average players, Bates lost his trust in Grayson, especially with his dealings in the transfer market and that's why he held back the funds.
Warnock is capable of bringing in quality players and capable of selling the club, its not just about giving a player a bulging pay packet, its about giving them the potential to make themselves a legend at a great club, Warnock can do this, he has a track record of doing it and in every interview I hear, he wants to do it again.
And if you say that in an interview if you say your squad is below standard it de-motivates them well that's just a sign they are mentally weak, if someone says to me I am rubbish at something I would break my back to prove them wrong. I did not see any signs of any passion, ambition or personal pride in the players today.
Yep, there are a few I would want to keep, but the fact is, we are not good enough and we have not been for a long time, we just need to realise it and get behind Warnock and give him a chance to turns us around.
Judge him when he brings in his own players and gets them playing his way. Hope and pray Bates backs him and look forward to players paying for the shirt and showing some pride.
I trust Warnock, never liked the bloke before, but willing to give him a chance, and so far happy with what he has said and done.
2012/13 starts now, hop on the train while there is room...
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bogdan
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Apr 09, 2012 22:26
ruelfox
Considering you have decided of your own accord that NW "didn't try hard enough", I doubt anyone can try and argue what you consider has or hasn't worked out, because you seem to have an intimate knowledge of what goes on at the club, unlike the rest of us.
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ruelfox
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Apr 09, 2012 22:33
It doesnt matter to me what goes on behind closed doors,in my book we needed players in at that time and didnt get any.end of story,thats not good enough for me if you want to listen to excuses saying we tried this and that and it didnt come off,then fine im sick of hearing them.in MY opinion not getting payers in cost us being in the playoffs.
And i cant believe anyone could class webber as a success so far,maybe he will be next season who knows but not yet.
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bogdan
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Apr 09, 2012 22:39
To say we were in March and didn't patch this team enough to lift us from utter mediocrity to promotion material, and that this is all down to Warnock "not trying hard enough" is just clutching at straws for having a snipe at Warnock.
Emergency loan window in March is as much good as going to Morrisons on Saturday before Easter to pick your dinner. You can take your life savings, you're still not going to get more than expired stuff and empty cardboard boxes.
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ruelfox
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Apr 09, 2012 22:44
Well i think when your in with a chance of getting promoted you should do everything you can,not just give up and let it all slip away.Anyway we wont agree you have your view and thats fine,i respect it.
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Pecky10
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Apr 09, 2012 22:50
I agree largely with Sheepy's comments, especially the point having been raised about players not playing because they don't fit in to his plans - I would go all out to prove him wrong too; I'm quite proud of that bloody-minded streak I have and in many ways it's that that's led me to the (successful) career I have. Toughen up lads. Or at least grow up.
I was one of those that agreed the time was right for Grayson to go; let's be honest, we were on a pretty bad run at the time; were slipping places and I believed that a change in manager would see us back on track. It was the RIGHT call.
Now for whatever reason, that hasn't happened although I don't think the four games under Redfearn will have done a lot for confidence and let's remember, at the time, all the players wanted their 'mate' to take over full-time. Results didn't seem to matter, they had their mate running training, they were allowed to use Twitter again (!) and life was a beach. So I imagine a tough-talking boss might have put just more than Alex Bruce's nose out of joint 
I myself questioned whether or not we made the right call with NW tonight in the match thread (hopefully the link will work below) but for me - and many others on here - it probably boils down to the next seven days: how much kitty will NW be given? Will he have to sell Snoddy to get the funds he wants?
Scroll down a bit for the ranty-type post 
The excuses from KB today about agents, players, olympics and price of goldfish making summer signings tricky ring alarming bells for me. I don't know where we will be nest season if we haven't been allowed to make the changes NW wants in the summer because of this garbage.
Finally, could I ask that the SG lovers out there agree we should move on now? He's a former manager, NW is in charge now. Another great result for Huddersfield I see today btw
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Pecky10
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Apr 09, 2012 22:55
bogdan
Emergency loan window in March is as much good as going to Morrisons on Saturday before Easter to pick your dinner. You can take your life savings, you're still not going to get more than expired stuff and empty cardboard boxes.
Discovered around midday on Easter Sunday that I had no food in the house and all the shops were shut.
I think that's the equivalent of finding that perfect player three minutes after the transfer deadline so I'm starting to sympathise with NW on this subject 
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