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sheepy
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Apr 10, 2012 07:28
Just going back to the Grayson sacking point.... 
I think too many of us get bogged down in what was the final straw or the ultimate reason Grayson lost his job. The thing is (like most sackings) it was a combination of a few things. Our form had dropped, we were had been subject to a few hammerings (Brum & Barnsley) and despite what looked like an average squad, Grayson had supposedly said on a few occasions that promotion was achievable, as the season went on, it became obvious that this was not the case. Then we had the debacle of Andy O'Brien and his 'will never play for Leeds again' incident and if you add to that all the exposure of Graysons personal life it seemed his sacking was indeed inevitable.
I heard the radio interview after the Birmingham match and Bogdan is reasonably accurate that Grayson did indeed mumble his discontent about funds/transfers. It was not him speaking up, he was simply cornered into giving an answer by the interviewer.
As most of us say and its a fair point that why would Grayson publically voice his unrest over funds or players leaving the club when it was his dream job. But that said, if it was his dream job that he valued so much why did he compromise his position with his personal life and then the ridiculous handling of Andy O'Brien in what seemed like a very knee jerk reaction to a condition that should have been handled privately and with some appreciation of how delicate his problem potentially was.
Simon did a good job for us, he got us out of League One and we beat Man Utd 1-0 in the cup, he gave us some very happy times but the fact is, he had taken us as far as he could and he could not see the limitations of his own squad. Thats why Warnock has come in and seen the short comings straight away.
Its a new era and for once this time we have a bit of time to sort out the problems because we are in a safe league position and we are in a good position to attract the right players to the club 
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Apr 10, 2012 08:15
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Did you play 5 aside? Or on any hard ground? Because so many of us had knee troubles ending our football. I believe was playing/training on hard grounds.. just a thought
We weren't allowed to play 5-a-side under the terms of the contract; we were lucky and played on some pretty decent pitches, most of the time. But I was on the end of a pretty bad tackle in a FA Cup match at Tranmere Rovers.... it made Danny Pugh's ones at Reading seem fair and never really recovered, particularly as I also added in a few skiing injuries before and after 
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Apr 10, 2012 10:08
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Bigsocks
Did you play 5 aside? Or on any hard ground? Because so many of us had knee troubles ending our football. I believe was playing/training on hard grounds.. just a thought
We weren't allowed to play 5-a-side under the terms of the contract; we were lucky and played on some pretty decent pitches, most of the time. But I was on the end of a pretty bad tackle in a FA Cup match at Tranmere Rovers.... it made Danny Pugh's ones at Reading seem fair and never really recovered, particularly as I also added in a few skiing injuries before and after
Women's football producing high quality Yorkshire tackles? Bloody hell.
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Apr 10, 2012 10:13
A dying leeds team with no ambition to play top flight football, we are plagued by red cards injuries and poor management. When NW took over I had a few doubts like most people but he was good at dragging the best from players and he seemed a solid choice for leeds, but when you see red cards flying all over the place a team that just rolls over AT HOME, and manager that stands shaking his head and shouting at the floor as he stands looking at his own feet in disbelieve that another team are walking over us then it makes you wonder if he is the right man.
Ken Bates says leeds have made 1 million pounds this season and we should be happy because it's our first profit since administration, er KB selling your best players this season will make you a profit but next season when we are struggling against every team looking at relegation and fans ripping up season tickets in disgust won't be making a profit because even the most loyal fans can't sit and watch their favourite club be demolished every week.
Money isn't made in our league sky isn't too interested in the championship that's why MAN SHITTY and man United sorry about the language, are on most weeks we need top flight football and fast you make money by spending some.
Ken Bates out and someone in who loves football as much as the fans do, and and not run a good club dry!
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Bigsocks
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Apr 10, 2012 10:27
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Just going back to the Grayson sacking point....
I think too many of us get bogged down in what was the final straw or the ultimate reason Grayson lost his job. The thing is (like most sackings) it was a combination of a few things. Our form had dropped, we were had been subject to a few hammerings (Brum & Barnsley) and despite what looked like an average squad, Grayson had supposedly said on a few occasions that promotion was achievable, as the season went on, it became obvious that this was not the case. Then we had the debacle of Andy O'Brien and his 'will never play for Leeds again' incident and if you add to that all the exposure of Graysons personal life it seemed his sacking was indeed inevitable.
I heard the radio interview after the Birmingham match and Bogdan is reasonably accurate that Grayson did indeed mumble his discontent about funds/transfers. It was not him speaking up, he was simply cornered into giving an answer by the interviewer.
As most of us say and its a fair point that why would Grayson publically voice his unrest over funds or players leaving the club when it was his dream job. But that said, if it was his dream job that he valued so much why did he compromise his position with his personal life and then the ridiculous handling of Andy O'Brien in what seemed like a very knee jerk reaction to a condition that should have been handled privately and with some appreciation of how delicate his problem potentially was.
Simon did a good job for us, he got us out of League One and we beat Man Utd 1-0 in the cup, he gave us some very happy times but the fact is, he had taken us as far as he could and he could not see the limitations of his own squad. Thats why Warnock has come in and seen the short comings straight away.
Its a new era and for once this time we have a bit of time to sort out the problems because we are in a safe league position and we are in a good position to attract the right players to the club
Yes but we all can twist or only highlight facts that suit our views, like i could say under SG we hammered Nott's Forest 4-0, we were only a few points off the play off's with 18 games to go etc etc.
So it may of been obvious to you and some others that we were not going to make the play off's, but this is not a fact and for many Leeds fan's we feel without any doubt he should of been given the rest of the season to try.
As for publically voicing his unrest, it was only a week..ish ago Bogan said to me he made no such comments, and does it really matter if he mumbled his discontent or wrote it down on paper and held it up, the message was out in the public for the 1st time.
Do we really care about his personal life? I mean if people in football got the sack for their personal life, no team could field the same 11 twice in a row.
As for O'Brien it didnt look good, and it was handled badly, again its not like some of the best managers in the game dont do such things, like throwing a boot at Beckham cutting his eye in an knee jerk reaction, no big deal.
Simon did a good job for us? Well i would and many others would say he did a GREAT job under the circumstances working under KB, and todate a better job than the 2 after him, so more than understandable why some Leeds fan's are not happy.
Most of what you and i wrote are not based on facts, we will never know the real reason why he was sacked, we will never know if under SG would we would of made the play off's or not.
This topic has been aired over and over because the views are very split with no facts that can settle it, and i have no doubt will be aired a lot more until we have something positive to talk about Leeds.
I dont believe there is one Leeds fan who doesnt want to see Warnock win everything or anything with us, we ALL want him to do well.. But going on the only facts we have right now, it is going badly.
The only positive we have is "hope" while ignoring the "realistic", thats a big ask for us to do
MOT
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Apr 10, 2012 10:40
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As for publically voicing his unrest, it was only a week..ish ago Bogan said to me he made no such comments, and does it really matter if he mumbled his discontent or wrote it down on paper and held it up, the message was out in the public for the 1st time.
And for me, it was just as if he hadn't said anything at all, it was hardly speaking up and it didn't actually have anything to do with his dismissal. Like I say, his fate was sealed already. People took that one mention made in public and made it out to seem like he was rebelling or something. He wasn't. He knew he was out the door already, so he just went along with the hint that the interview was drawn towards.
Bigsocks
Do we really care about his personal life? I mean if people in football got the sack for their personal life, no team could field the same 11 twice in a row.
No, but KB showed signs that he did.
Bigsocks
As for O'Brien it didnt look good, and it was handled badly, again its not like some of the best managers in the game dont do such things, like throwing a boot at Beckham cutting his eye in an knee jerk reaction, no big deal.
It added to poor dressing room atmosphere though. And he isn't one of the "best managers", so he can ill-afford to add discontent in a team where many other things were going right.
Bigsocks
Simon did a good job for us? Well i would and many others would say he did a GREAT job under the circumstances working under KB, and todate a better job than the 2 after him, so more than understandable why some Leeds fan's are not happy.
Most of what you and i wrote are not based on facts, we will never know the real reason why he was sacked, we will never know if under SG would we would of made the play off's or not.
You're comparing with people with 4 and 10 games in charges, respectively.
Also, if I may: "would have", not "would of".
Bigsocks
Exactly. And it was going badly with Grayson before he left.
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lufan
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Apr 10, 2012 10:53
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oh boy are we a fickle bunch! When Grayson was in charge we would spit blood when he would say we had played reasonably well and we would thrust our heads into our hands in aspiration when another transfer window went by and Grayson would tell us how close we was to getting 2 or 3 players in but their agents let us down.
We now have a guy with a proven track record at this level and to boot, he tells us how it is. He may well come out and say in so many words that we have rubbish players, but guess what, we do, and guess what else, look at the table it does not lie. We are mid-table and we should consider ourselves lucky that we are not in a relegation battle because we don't have the players who have the heart to dig the team out of a hole.
Say what you like about Warnock, love him or hate him, but the fact is he is the best available manager to turn the club around. A lot, a hell of a lot depends on Bates because Warnock needs backing but if he is backed (and I believe he will be, because Bates is a lot of things but he is not daft) he will lift our club up.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Grayson took us as far as he could, he signed too many loan players who did not care and spent the little he had on below average players, Bates lost his trust in Grayson, especially with his dealings in the transfer market and that's why he held back the funds.
Warnock is capable of bringing in quality players and capable of selling the club, its not just about giving a player a bulging pay packet, its about giving them the potential to make themselves a legend at a great club, Warnock can do this, he has a track record of doing it and in every interview I hear, he wants to do it again.
And if you say that in an interview if you say your squad is below standard it de-motivates them well that's just a sign they are mentally weak, if someone says to me I am rubbish at something I would break my back to prove them wrong. I did not see any signs of any passion, ambition or personal pride in the players today.
Yep, there are a few I would want to keep, but the fact is, we are not good enough and we have not been for a long time, we just need to realise it and get behind Warnock and give him a chance to turns us around.
Judge him when he brings in his own players and gets them playing his way. Hope and pray Bates backs him and look forward to players paying for the shirt and showing some pride.
I trust Warnock, never liked the bloke before, but willing to give him a chance, and so far happy with what he has said and done.
2012/13 starts now, hop on the train while there is room...
So far happy with what he has said and done?
What has he done? He's won 2 in 10.
What has he said? Nothing much to inspire me. He does most of his talking to the fourth official or waiting down the tunnel for the ref.
His "style" of management if that's what you can call it is from a time gone by. There are loads of pub team managers who can give the Churchill, roll your sleeves up match talk and fire the players up to go get some stiff tackles in but there's more to it than shouting and carrying on on the touchline and then moaning when your player has wiped somebody out and been cautioned. I don't believe the modern day quality footballer would want to play for Warnock, he is the past not the future. I don't think it is a coincidence that the two Tottenham lads were withdrawn when Grayson went and Warnock arrived. I can't see Redknapp wanting his players to "learn" from Warnock. I understand the fans wanting passion and a manager to stand up to the chairman but again it's no coincidence that Warnock has been a failure at the top level. The players need more than ranting and raving to motivate them. He lacks tactical nous when the shouting doesn't work.
Having heard him say that he was going to look at a few of the fringe players I was disappointed to see the same old faces on the bench yesterday. Surely, with nothing to play for he should give a couple of 18 year olds a run out against Peterborough. Another home defeat won't make any difference but we might actually get excited by a young lad given his chance.
That's my view on Warnock but let's not forget the real problem here is Bates. Whatever had gone before with Grayson is over but Bates brought Warnock in and said that promotion was still a possibility. As it's turned out the play-offs probably were achieveable when you look at the home games lost since he arrived. I read the programme yesterday and Bates is still blaming Grayson and I listened to the phone in on the way home and Lorimer is still blaming Grayson. I wish they would let it go. These people are the directors of this club and they can't even admit that they are the problem! I don't think there will be much money to spend and I fear it will be spent on the old boys from Warnocks past. I hope I'm wrong but I can't help thinking that the better players will want to leave as well. I was in the family stand yesterday and in the second half I heard Warnock having a go at Nunez, Pugh and Webber for not doing what he wanted at any particular time. I actually felt embarrassed at the way he was behaving. Yes the performance was poor and we were all jacked off but I can't see any players of the calibre that we need to turn it round wanting to come and play for him. There's nothing wrong with giving under-performers a dressing down now and again in the hope that they will be determined to show you they can do it but that should be only one part of the job.
I'm pretty sure Bates expected better than where we are now after appointing him and it's ok going on about it being an 18-month plan now that this season has gone but I don't really believe he will put the money in to turn it around because I don't think he has the money and he hoped Warnock would be able to do it without massive spend. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their meeting if only to hear the utter rubbish that will come out of both their mouths.
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bogdan
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Apr 10, 2012 10:58
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Did Grayson's style of sitting on the touchline with his arms crossed on his chest used to inspire you then? Did the template interviews of "we'll have to do better, we know where we're going wrong, we'll just have to do some more training and come back better" used to inspire you?
lufan
His "style" of management if that's what you can call it is from a time gone by. There are loads of pub team managers who can give the Churchill, roll your sleeves up match talk and fire the players up to go get some stiff tackles in but there's more to it than shouting and carrying on on the touchline and then moaning when your player has wiped somebody out and been cautioned. I don't believe the modern day quality footballer would want to play for Warnock, he is the past not the future. I don't think it is a coincidence that the two Tottenham lads were withdrawn when Grayson went and Warnock arrived. I can't see Redknapp wanting his players to "learn" from Warnock. I understand the fans wanting passion and a manager to stand up to the chairman but again it's no coincidence that Warnock has been a failure at the top level. The players need more than ranting and raving to motivate them. He lacks tactical nous when the shouting doesn't work.
He wasn't brought to win us the Premier League, he was brought to get us there. And he must have been doing SOMETHING right all these years to build up his record.
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sheepy
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Apr 10, 2012 11:01
This is almost laughable, prior to Graysons sacking we had a thread a mile long with people more or less saying 'Thanks Simon but its time to go', in fact it was a thread that was created way to early in the season for most people's liking. I for one stuck up for him and gave him time but there comes a point where enough is enough and I would say that his sacking was reasonably overdue. It should have been done so the new manager had the transfer window but for whatever reason that was not the case.
Now we have people coming on and saying he should have been kept on! Fair enough that most of the individuals in this thread were not people calling for his sacking but it just shows how 'general' opinion can swing.
Hope is indeed something we have, but we also clung onto that with Grayson.
Warnock for me is saying the right things and has the right intentions, a lot depends on Bates but all we have to do is support him and the team and hopefully we will turn the corner.
LUST asked for change and thats what we have.
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Apr 10, 2012 11:13
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Bigsocks
As for publically voicing his unrest, it was only a week..ish ago Bogan said to me he made no such comments, and does it really matter if he mumbled his discontent or wrote it down on paper and held it up, the message was out in the public for the 1st time.
And for me, it was just as if he hadn't said anything at all, it was hardly speaking up and it didn't actually have anything to do with his dismissal. Like I say, his fate was sealed already. People took that one mention made in public and made it out to seem like he was rebelling or something. He wasn't. He knew he was out the door already, so he just went along with the hint that the interview was drawn towards.
Bigsocks
Do we really care about his personal life? I mean if people in football got the sack for their personal life, no team could field the same 11 twice in a row.
No, but KB showed signs that he did.
Didnt think we would
Bigsocks
As for O'Brien it didnt look good, and it was handled badly, again its not like some of the best managers in the game dont do such things, like throwing a boot at Beckham cutting his eye in an knee jerk reaction, no big deal.
It added to poor dressing room atmosphere though. And he isn't one of the "best managers", so he can ill-afford to add discontent in a team where many other things were going right.
Again are we talking facts or views?
Bigsocks
Simon did a good job for us? Well i would and many others would say he did a GREAT job under the circumstances working under KB, and todate a better job than the 2 after him, so more than understandable why some Leeds fan's are not happy.
Most of what you and i wrote are not based on facts, we will never know the real reason why he was sacked, we will never know if under SG would we would of made the play off's or not.
You're comparing with people with 4 and 10 games in charges, respectively.
Also, if I may: "would have", not "would of".
Aww thanks for helping my english, really nice of you.  I have Dyslexia(ahh but u know this already as ive told you) and when i was at school Dyslexia wasnt known, so i was pushed in the conner and told i was stupid. Due to this my English is awful and my gammar as bad, but im no ones fool. I was director of a betting company that had 7 shops, i stopped working at 35, and now a Pro Poker player. If you need help making money ill be more than happy to drive up in my GTR and return your nicess in highlighting, i mean helping my poor English 
Bigsocks
Exactly. And it was going badly with Grayson before he left.
Maybe i should of said its going VERY badly now then
Little aggressive towards views that differ to yours is fine, but personal digs towards my handicap IS also fine, im a big boy now and can takle it
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sheepy
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Apr 10, 2012 11:13
Just for reference - here is a link to the 'Grayson out thread' - click here
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lufan
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Apr 10, 2012 11:14
Grayson has gone. I'm not arguing about whether he should have gone or not, he's history.
As a leeds fan of over forty years I am just uninspired by the current board and manager. I'm talking about our club now and I don't like what is happening. It's just my view.
I don't think it will all come good anytime soon and I sat in the crowd yesterday feeling very low.
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sheepy
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Apr 10, 2012 11:17
The thing about it going badly now, or VERY badly is probably more to do with the squad being full of average players who are on borrowed time than Warnock all of a sudden becoming a poor manager.
When Warnock says the players are poor I am inclined to agree with him given our season, performances and league position. He says he can turn things around and given his past record and experience I believe he will.
I'm sure we all agree on that one, that we want him to do to Leeds what he did to Sheff Utd, QPR and various other clubs....
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Apr 10, 2012 11:19
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I don't think it will all come good anytime soon and I sat in the crowd yesterday feeling very low.
You view is totally valid mate - you cannot be a Leeds fan and have enjoyed the last half dozen games or so.
I think the point is, let's wait to judge NW once he has the opportunity to change the team / squad. People are asking for change, but he can't buy / loan any other players, so has to make do and mend with what he currently has (which isn't good enough).
I personally like his style and honesty, and the players do seem to be trying - the problem is they aren't good or disciplined enough to do the job properly.
I believe the out of contract players contracts run until June (or the end of June - can't remember), so we should start seeing change from then, though NW has mentioned someone signing from 1st May.
For once I don't think it's unrealistic for Leeds fans to expect a summer of massive change / transfer activity.
I will make sure my phone is charged up to receive all the official texts from the club  
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Apr 10, 2012 11:28
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Bigsocks
Exactly. And it was going badly with Grayson before he left.
Even this can be argued with. Of the three league games prior to the Birmingham one which prompted the sacking, we had won 2 and drawn 1. Currently we look clueless and dispirited and Warnock appears to be sending them out with instructions to lump it forward and rough em up, which is a dinosaurs view of football considering the strengths of our players(!) and the things that red and yellow cards are now given out for compared to previous eras, and is not helping us one little bit.
Personally I agree with which much of what Bigsocks says, Grayson was harshly treated considering his achievements during his time here, including this season when he took a severely weakened squad from the one before and still had it in contention for play off places, and giving him until the end of the season would have been fairer. But ultimately, while it makes for interesting reading and a lively debate, it's a pointless one because he isn't our manager anymore. I think everybody is agreed that we want Warnock to do well, it's in all our best interests, but we now need to look to next season and hope that he can (a) bring in several new and better players and (b) he doesn't continue to adopt the tactics that he seems to have been trying to use since he took over, because for me it's not worth watching.
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Apr 10, 2012 11:36
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bogdan
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As for publically voicing his unrest, it was only a week..ish ago Bogan said to me he made no such comments, and does it really matter if he mumbled his discontent or wrote it down on paper and held it up, the message was out in the public for the 1st time.
And for me, it was just as if he hadn't said anything at all, it was hardly speaking up and it didn't actually have anything to do with his dismissal. Like I say, his fate was sealed already. People took that one mention made in public and made it out to seem like he was rebelling or something. He wasn't. He knew he was out the door already, so he just went along with the hint that the interview was drawn towards.
Bigsocks
Do we really care about his personal life? I mean if people in football got the sack for their personal life, no team could field the same 11 twice in a row.
No, but KB showed signs that he did.
Didnt think we would
Bigsocks
As for O'Brien it didnt look good, and it was handled badly, again its not like some of the best managers in the game dont do such things, like throwing a boot at Beckham cutting his eye in an knee jerk reaction, no big deal.
It added to poor dressing room atmosphere though. And he isn't one of the "best managers", so he can ill-afford to add discontent in a team where many other things were going right.
Again are we talking facts or views?
Bigsocks
Simon did a good job for us? Well i would and many others would say he did a GREAT job under the circumstances working under KB, and todate a better job than the 2 after him, so more than understandable why some Leeds fan's are not happy.
Most of what you and i wrote are not based on facts, we will never know the real reason why he was sacked, we will never know if under SG would we would of made the play off's or not.
You're comparing with people with 4 and 10 games in charges, respectively.
Also, if I may: "would have", not "would of".
Aww thanks for helping my english, really nice of you. I have Dyslexia(ahh but u know this already as ive told you) and when i was at school Dyslexia wasnt known, so i was pushed in the conner and told i was stupid. Due to this my English is awful and my gammar as bad, but im no ones fool. I was director of a betting company that had 7 shops, i stopped working at 35, and now a Pro Poker player. If you need help making money ill be more than happy to drive up in my GTR and return your nicess in highlighting, i mean helping my poor English
Bigsocks
Exactly. And it was going badly with Grayson before he left.
Maybe i should of said its going VERY badly now then
Little aggressive towards views that differ to yours is fine, but personal digs towards my handicap IS also fine, im a big boy now and can takle it
With respect Bigsocks, it's more a case of bad grammar saying/writing 'of' instead of 'have', no one on here would even think about having a go at someone's 'handicap' or whatever the correct thing is to say now. And you're hardly the only culprit anyway mate
I'm not sure of why there's any arguing about the former manager and the present one, do we not all agree that the overriding (undermining) problem is the chairman and his cronies ruining the club? Even Dave might agree with that and not call their antics 'good business'
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Apr 10, 2012 11:36
Totally agree with Sheepy - Warnock has not suddenly become a bad manager overnight.
And if the talks go well with KB - we will go into next season with new players, new vigour and purpose. If snoddy leaves - so what? he's been here enough years done really well so therefore has the right to move on. I just want Elland road to be a fortress again, teams fearing playing leeds and not thinking "the defence is crap so have a go".
If we go on and win the next 4 games the views on here will soon change - fans are so fickle and be talking about automatic promotion next season 
And finally - COME ON KB - SHOW US YOU MEAN BUSINESS AND GIVE WARNOCK THE MONEY TO TAKE US BACK WHERE WE BELONG!!!
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Apr 10, 2012 11:37
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Also, if I may: "would have", not "would of".
Aww thanks for helping my english, really nice of you. I have Dyslexia(ahh but u know this already as ive told you) and when i was at school Dyslexia wasnt known, so i was pushed in the conner and told i was stupid. Due to this my English is awful and my gammar as bad, but im no ones fool. I was director of a betting company that had 7 shops, i stopped working at 35, and now a Pro Poker player. If you need help making money ill be more than happy to drive up in my GTR and return your nicess in highlighting, i mean helping my poor English
Bigsocks
Exactly. And it was going badly with Grayson before he left.
Maybe i should of said its going VERY badly now then
Little aggressive towards views that differ to yours is fine, but personal digs towards my handicap IS also fine, im a big boy now and can takle it
Get over yourself! I don't read every single post on this website ever (although I do try my best), so I don't remember the dyslexia comment. It's a far too-common language mistake that is easily-rectified in general, so I thought I would try to address it, as we try to keep a good standard of posting and writing too on this forum. I couldn't care less if you were Bill Gates or a bricklayer (no offence to bricklayers anywhere), but I do love that you felt the need to list your personal success to justify how little my effort matters in your eyes. I think I'll stick with not making money, keeping my knowledge of handicaps to myself and will take the bus home at the end of the day.
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Dave221982
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Apr 10, 2012 11:42
SG was a good manager for leeds he did good things and helped us along, I agree that it was probably time to go as our form had dropped off but look at us now. We are playing worse than ever getting beat by Forest 7-3 was a total disgrace. When Arsenal got beat by Man United the fans was given their money back by the club to apologise what did leeds fans get? Excuses saying the team isn't good enough and there's me thinking that's why they brought him in.
He will walk if there is no money for players because it's becoming clear very quickly to leeds fans that he can't do anything with us as we are, and as for "I can manage players" well can you please stop them getting sent off so we can finish the next game with 11 Men! That in itself would be a bonus.
I'm just glad we don't have another 15 games left or we would be a league one side again and leeds 5 year plan has certainly gone out the window
Bates out
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cadillacjukebox
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Apr 10, 2012 11:54
Redfearn should have stayed as manager based on stats - he had a 50% win record, which is better than SG's or Warnock's.
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