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The return of Beckford & Kasper
bogdan
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Apr 24, 2012 12:14
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Because he's a scum-loving t%*t who exaggerates easy saves, can't dominate his box, shouts at his defenders for every goal conceded, was only in it for the money and left us at the first sign that we weren't going to be in the PL soon enough?
I've found bogdan's Howson!
Haha, I don't really care how he does elsewhere, but out of all the decent young players we've lost in the past few years, he's the one that I'm sure we couldn't have convinced to stay, because he's an attention-craving git.
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rimmo
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Apr 24, 2012 16:08
Let's give beckford a good reception on Saturday you cant blame him for wanting to better him self by going to Everton in the prem .. As for kasper he saw Leeds as a stepping stone and more money he asked to leave for the prem around Xmas time and when that move fell through he said he wanted to stay at Leeds after all I was glad mr bates called his bluff and sold him .. But let's forget them both now and enjoy our last game of the season and a new ere under mr warnock ... M O T
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birkybullufc
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Apr 25, 2012 13:13
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Why would Kasper not get a good reception?
If I recall, he slated the team and was a miserable git who blamed others for his cockups.
+ he wanted more money.
bogdan
birkybullufc
Why would Kasper not get a good reception?
Because he's a scum-loving t%*t who exaggerates easy saves, can't dominate his box, shouts at his defenders for every goal conceded, was only in it for the money and left us at the first sign that we weren't going to be in the PL soon enough?
Yeh, but apart from that. 
sheepy
As for Kasper, not really fussed about him, can't say he has done much either way to deserve a good or bad reception.
I thought he was a decent enough keeper and as I remember it was the club that sold him, not him requesting a transfer. If he had been retained along with the likes of Gradel, Howson, and the rest and we achieved promotion this season do you think he wouldn't have signed a new contract for next season in the PL?
Like Kasper, his replacement Lonners is a good shot stopper but imho he is even worse at dominating his area. As for Lonners distribution and kicking the less said the better.
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bogdan
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Apr 25, 2012 13:28
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Schmeichel was on a short contract and Grayson said he made it pretty clear he didn't look likely to sign a new deal. His post-announcement statements were nothing but PR. You only need to look at where he went to realise it was very much his desire to leave - the money club of the division, managed by his old paternal figure Sven.
Lonergan can't be dismissed as a worse keeper than him. His first half of the season, before the injury, was phenomenal. His domination of the area was one of the things that everyone saw as an improvement on Schmeichel. Most of his game has suffered since coming back, but I suspect that is as much to do with the players ahead of him as it is to do with himself. A good keeper like the one we saw up until December cannot get bad overnight.
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birkybullufc
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Apr 25, 2012 13:50
I don't think Lonners is a bad keeper. He has made some incredible save this season. I just don't see that his dominance of his area is any better than Kaspers. As shown against Reading and Cardiff. His poor distribution has even lead to players getting sent off. Like Kisnorbo against Pompey (Or maybe Bristol City).
You may say anything he said after he left was spin, but the same could be said of what SG and KB said about him. What they said was without class and professionalism. Something I would expect of KB but was dissapointed with SG for.
If Lonners is first choice next season I would have no complaints but I would be surprised. Time will tell.
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Apr 26, 2012 07:28
On paper, Leicester has basically a whole team of good footballer names. Had it not been a dead rubber it would have been a good match.
I hope the ex-Leeds players perform well enough to remind Bates of what once was for those players.
As for the current Leeds players, those who want to be in our Club next year, best chance is now.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:18
Great to see that John Reynolds will get recognition at saturday's game. See http://t.co/LEi4Lfpu
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Apr 26, 2012 12:39
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Great to see that John Reynolds will get recognition at saturday's game. See http://t.co/LEi4Lfpu
But even then the club can't quite get it right, it's a compromise rather than an outright show of respect to a great bloke who worked for our club for 60 blooming years.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:53
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Great to see that John Reynolds will get recognition at saturday's game. See http://t.co/LEi4Lfpu
But even then the club can't quite get it right, it's a compromise rather than an outright show of respect to a great bloke who worked for our club for 60 blooming years.
Running a football club is like running any business, it is a compromise. For supporters, we are sometimes too critical, and I for one think this is a good, sensible move, to mention him by name alongside Gary Speed and Lord Harewood as well as honouring all of the, no doubt, thousands of Leeds fans and associates who have passed away. I have lost count of the number of times Leeds have featured in a minutes silence or applause before games home and away this season, and they can't do it for every death that occurs. Well done Leeds from me.
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Apr 26, 2012 13:36
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Great to see that John Reynolds will get recognition at saturday's game. See http://t.co/LEi4Lfpu
But even then the club can't quite get it right, it's a compromise rather than an outright show of respect to a great bloke who worked for our club for 60 blooming years.
Running a football club is like running any business, it is a compromise. For supporters, we are sometimes too critical, and I for one think this is a good, sensible move, to mention him by name alongside Gary Speed and Lord Harewood as well as honouring all of the, no doubt, thousands of Leeds fans and associates who have passed away. I have lost count of the number of times Leeds have featured in a minutes silence or applause before games home and away this season, and they can't do it for every death that occurs. Well done Leeds from me.
Sorry Dave, I'm going to keep quiet about this now but you are wrong on a few levels there mate. I agree that it IS an improvement on Harvey's crass ignorance but it is still far from perfect and if you're going to simply state 'well done Leeds' then I assume you haven't been following the 'campaigns' on Clarke One-Nil or Waccoe or Facebook. Running Leeds United (I spelt ruining wrong there, Sheepy  ) is not like running any business. And just to let you know that I have heard, reliably, that Bates has not been involved in this latest embarrassment, it was all Harvey's stain work.
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bogdan
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Apr 26, 2012 13:38
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But how many of them have been for people associated with LUFC?
I agree on the general point that the minute's applause has been devalued by its overuse (I couldn't quite understand the widespread adoption of it after Muamba's accident, to be honest), but it shouldn't mean we should do just one at the end of the season to bulk-remember all the great figures we've lost through the year.
The club HAVE made a compromise in the undignified sense of the word that ONS was referring to, by initially dismissing the suggestion outright and then adopting this option (I assume, as a sign of "we were going to do this anyway").
For what it's worth, I don't much like the minute's applause either, I think the utmost mark of respect you can give is a minute's silence. I know there are chances of it being spoilt, but 60 seconds of respectful silence by a crowd of thousands is as poignant a mark as one can make.
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Apr 26, 2012 13:45
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But how many of them have been for people associated with LUFC?
I agree on the general point that the minute's applause has been devalued by its overuse (I couldn't quite understand the widespread adoption of it after Muamba's accident, to be honest), but it shouldn't mean we should do just one at the end of the season to bulk-remember all the great figures we've lost through the year.
The club HAVE made a compromise in the undignified sense of the word that ONS was referring to, by initially dismissing the suggestion outright and then adopting this option (I assume, as a sign of "we were going to do this anyway").
For what it's worth, I don't much like the minute's applause either, I think the utmost mark of respect you can give is a minute's silence. I know there are chances of it being spoilt, but 60 seconds of respectful silence by a crowd of thousands is as poignant a mark as one can make.
Yes, sad truth is though that a spoiled minute's silence is remembered for longer than one immaculately adhered to. I've no problem with the applause option, for one thing, I have been known to involuntarily come out with a little whimper when remembering lost loved ones. That is not me joking either 
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dlw10
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Apr 26, 2012 14:09
onenorthernsoul
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Great to see that John Reynolds will get recognition at saturday's game. See http://t.co/LEi4Lfpu
But even then the club can't quite get it right, it's a compromise rather than an outright show of respect to a great bloke who worked for our club for 60 blooming years.
Running a football club is like running any business, it is a compromise. For supporters, we are sometimes too critical, and I for one think this is a good, sensible move, to mention him by name alongside Gary Speed and Lord Harewood as well as honouring all of the, no doubt, thousands of Leeds fans and associates who have passed away. I have lost count of the number of times Leeds have featured in a minutes silence or applause before games home and away this season, and they can't do it for every death that occurs. Well done Leeds from me.
Sorry Dave, I'm going to keep quiet about this now but you are wrong on a few levels there mate. I agree that it IS an improvement on Harvey's crass ignorance but it is still far from perfect and if you're going to simply state 'well done Leeds' then I assume you haven't been following the 'campaigns' on Clarke One-Nil or Waccoe or Facebook. Running Leeds United (I spelt ruining wrong there, Sheepy ) is not like running any business. And just to let you know that I have heard, reliably, that Bates has not been involved in this latest embarrassment, it was all Harvey's stain work.
Fair enough, your view. It has been a long season and I am just getting tired of people constantly having a pop at the club. They can't do right for doing wrong. It sometimes comes across to me that whatever the club does now someone is poised to criticise, and more often than not, we have no idea what discussions are going on in the club so are in no real position to criticise with any certainty anyway. Recently, even when the club does the right thing, they are then criticised for either taking too long to do it, or assuming it is only being done because of this pressure group or that pressure group. They can't win. Having run a company, I stand by my comment that the club is like any business too - in the sense that it is always a compromise between satisfying Shareholders, employees, customers, suppliers, authorites of all types, the local environment etc etc Many decisions have to be taken and as the man once said, "you can't please all of the people all of the time".
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birkybullufc
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Apr 26, 2012 14:11
For mine it is too little and too late. Nothing more than a token gesture without back tracking and admitting the club got it so wrong again. It is frightening how out of touch with the fans and the real world they are at times. I will be so glad when this season finishes and when Harvey and Bates are gone.
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birkybullufc
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Apr 26, 2012 14:18
You are right Von DLW that you can't please all of the people all of the time but more often than not you have 'To do the right thing.' The current board constantly fail to do that.
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Apr 26, 2012 14:24
dlw10
I tend to agree with you there mate. I've been thinking much the same for a while now but I think we can all clearly see what the crux of the fan's angst is. When we perform well on the pitch, there is less backlash against the club. So if NW can turn the footballing side of the club around then I strongly believe that the relationship between the fans and the club will improve. A good footballing side = calmness. A poor footballing side = people looking for someone to blame.
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bogdan
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Apr 26, 2012 14:28
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I've fixed it for you, mate.
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dlw10
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Apr 26, 2012 14:29
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You are right Von DLW that you can't please all of the people all of the time but more often than not you have 'To do the right thing.' The current board constantly fail to do that.
Again, that is your view in that obviously you feel that the board "more often than not" fails "to do the right thing". as do many other fans apparently. You know my views on many things and while there are things I consider they have done wrong I like to feel I am not above giving them credit when I consider they have done right or at least try to understand that they will not always be able to satisfy me by doing exactly what I want.
Again, from my own experience, part of what I am (failing obviously) trying to get over, is that people running organisations have many views to balance. I can remember getting all sorts of stick from employees who disagreed with decisions I made, but as long as I was firm in the belief that it was best for the company, I was still content with that.
There are other views available, terms and conditions apply!
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The Johnson
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Apr 26, 2012 14:32
bogdan
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I've fixed it for you, mate.
Even more fixed 
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bogdan
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Apr 26, 2012 14:36
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A poor footballing side = The Players are to blame.
If only there was another way of assembling a squad than randomly being assigned players by an impartial third party.
Oh, wait...
Don't really want to start all this again, but I was being generic and pretty fair both ways, I think, on what we know are two well-distinct sides in this argument.
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