TIM C
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Aug 02, 2012 18:56
Its going to happen monday. Don't ask me how I know !
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MW91
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Aug 02, 2012 19:10
TIM C
Its going to happen monday. Don't ask me how I know !
Would that be because you don't know and you're simply guessing in the same way everyone else has for the past 6 weeks?
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bogdan
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Aug 02, 2012 19:20
MW91
TIM C
Its going to happen monday. Don't ask me how I know !
Would that be because you don't know and you're simply guessing in the same way everyone else has for the past 6 weeks?
You should know by now that the takeover estimates work much the same as religious fervour - it's not up to the preacher to prove his claims, but to the non-believer to show that they could not happen. 
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johnh
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Aug 02, 2012 20:37
The reason it didn't happen on August 1 as I forecast was that they were all held up in Olympic traffic.
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USA for Leeds
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Aug 03, 2012 02:34
TIM C
Its going to happen monday. Don't ask me how I know !
You read tea leaves?
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Leeds Leeds Leeds
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Aug 03, 2012 11:02
Just been told by my friend who works at Elland Road/Thorpe Arch that the general feeling around the place is 'business as usual' with no significant changes pending.
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The Johnson
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Aug 03, 2012 11:09
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Just been told by my friend who works at Elland Road/Thorpe Arch that the general feeling around the place is 'business as usual' with no significant changes pending.
Why don't you ask him when the 'significant things' are going to happen?  
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Leeds Leeds Leeds
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Aug 03, 2012 11:16
The Johnson
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Just been told by my friend who works at Elland Road/Thorpe Arch that the general feeling around the place is 'business as usual' with no significant changes pending.
Why don't you ask him when the 'significant things' are going to happen?
I did ask him. He still expects the takeover to go through but not anytime soon. He thinks that when it does it will take everybody by surprise because they will have given up on it.
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Yeboy-ya
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Aug 03, 2012 13:39
Leeds Leeds Leeds
The Johnson
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Just been told by my friend who works at Elland Road/Thorpe Arch that the general feeling around the place is 'business as usual' with no significant changes pending.
Why don't you ask him when the 'significant things' are going to happen?
I did ask him. He still expects the takeover to go through but not anytime soon. He thinks that when it does it will take everybody by surprise because they will have given up on it.
There is some logic to that as I'm close to giving up on it!!! - so far its been buisness as usual alrite - Our best players leaving for nominal fees and being replaced by frees & low cost signings 
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bogdan
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Aug 03, 2012 13:46
Yeboy-ya
Eh?! Sorry, but I must strenuously disagree! Who are these "best" players who have left for "nominal fees" this summer and been replaced by frees & low costs?
Clayton left because Warnock didn't want him and thought he could do better, Snodgrass quite obviously left because he wanted to (read his latest interview for a Norwich publication - he says how he wanted to go there last year, but remained here for one more year, reluctantly, by the way he puts it in words). We've invested a fair chunk of money across the squad - fee-commanding keeper, centre half and midfielders, White given a new contract and McCormack likely to receive the same, while we're looking into paying some big money for a right back and top striker.
This is NOT business as usual - a manager left to build a squad by his own philosophy (granted, with some constraints, but not of the kind and scale that his predecessor might have faced), while Bates has been completely silent for the past 2 months+.
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Leeds Leeds Leeds
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Aug 03, 2012 13:59
bogdan
Yeboy-ya
Eh?! Sorry, but I must strenuously disagree! Who are these "best" players who have left for "nominal fees" this summer and been replaced by frees & low costs?
Clayton left because Warnock didn't want him and thought he could do better, Snodgrass quite obviously left because he wanted to (read his latest interview for a Norwich publication - he says how he wanted to go there last year, but remained here for one more year, reluctantly, by the way he puts it in words). We've invested a fair chunk of money across the squad - fee-commanding keeper, centre half and midfielders, White given a new contract and McCormack likely to receive the same, while we're looking into paying some big money for a right back and top striker.
This is NOT business as usual - a manager left to build a squad by his own philosophy (granted, with some constraints, but not of the kind and scale that his predecessor might have faced), while Bates has been completely silent for the past 2 months+.
Totally agree! Bates hasn't gone but he knows he's going. He's allowed Warnock to buy and sell with what appears to be no constraints on the money he has 'self-generated'. In previous seasons the 'Snodgrass money' would have gone into the stadium redevelopment fund or some similar excuse, but not this season it seems. Bates only has one plan left for Leeds United - TO SELL!
Warnock is buying and selling with his self generated transfer money and in my opinion he's doing fantastically well.
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bogdan
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Aug 03, 2012 14:14
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Starting work on the Shrewsbury programme...seems ages since the Leicester one now... #lufc
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@dewsyleeds Do we have the chairman's thoughts to look forward to? :-D
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@TheSquareBall I believe so mate
Dear me.
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Yeboy-ya
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Aug 03, 2012 14:31
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bogdan
Yeboy-ya
Eh?! Sorry, but I must strenuously disagree! Who are these "best" players who have left for "nominal fees" this summer and been replaced by frees & low costs?
Clayton left because Warnock didn't want him and thought he could do better, Snodgrass quite obviously left because he wanted to (read his latest interview for a Norwich publication - he says how he wanted to go there last year, but remained here for one more year, reluctantly, by the way he puts it in words). We've invested a fair chunk of money across the squad - fee-commanding keeper, centre half and midfielders, White given a new contract and McCormack likely to receive the same, while we're looking into paying some big money for a right back and top striker.
This is NOT business as usual - a manager left to build a squad by his own philosophy (granted, with some constraints, but not of the kind and scale that his predecessor might have faced), while Bates has been completely silent for the past 2 months+.
Totally agree! Bates hasn't gone but he knows he's going. He's allowed Warnock to buy and sell with what appears to be no constraints on the money he has 'self-generated'. In previous seasons the 'Snodgrass money' would have gone into the stadium redevelopment fund or some similar excuse, but not this season it seems. Bates only has one plan left for Leeds United - TO SELL!
Warnock is buying and selling with his self generated transfer money and in my opinion he's doing fantastically well.
I am thinking you have both missed my point guys - which was as you stated SELF Generated Transfer Money - and which i would be highly doubtful that the incoming funds have all gone into recruitment - add to the fact the wage bill has been seriously reduced and that in itself frees up more funds.
On our best players comment - Clayton should have been kept as a young and upcoming play and Snodgrass left due to dis-illusionment (something i think we all know something about) for just over 2mil is what i call Nomianal for a player I value a lot higher and our club capt. - but thats just my opinion like everyone your free to differ
White signed the deal he was originally offered so we can put that dowbn to loyalty - love of the club - promise of 1st team games
McCormack's situation has not changed - and i doubt he'll get the package he is after (i am not saying he shoud either).
While my intention was never to start a drama and was merely an expression of my frustration without some new Fresh Invesment it is the same as whats gone on before.
The Rumours of a big striker coming in are exactly just that - Rumours - till its over the line i won't be holding my breath 
I'll end with saying that regardles of cost etc. i am happy with the majority of signings coming in and i am still hopefull - just paranoid maybe from previous experiences 
Either way Rant or no Rant - i'm still a White - 'll still support my team - MOT
Looking forward to the respnses!!! 
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bogdan
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Aug 03, 2012 14:43
Yeboy-ya
Most of it is relative public knowledge (the transfer fees, that is), so one could see how much has gone back into transfer by a simple balance sheet of the ins and outs of this summer.
Yeboy-ya
On our best players comment - Clayton should have been kept as a young and upcoming play and Snodgrass left due to dis-illusionment (something i think we all know something about) for just over 2mil is what i call Nomianal for a player I value a lot higher and our club capt. - but thats just my opinion like everyone your free to differ
According to Warnock, Clayton didn't need to be kept, and the whole point was is this the same course of things as the last years or not? Under Grayson, Clayton would have been seen as one of the best players available and intended to stay (but sometimes would have been sold anyway). His actual worth from last season's performances has been discussed here in the past. Point was, Warnock's made a judgement on him and has replaced him already.
Snodgrass - fee wasn't 2m, he left for 3m, 1.5m upfront. If you call that a nominal fee, considering he's gone to what looks like a PL journey-club (with 6 months away from coming under the Bosman rule), then you're free to do so, but it doesn't make it inherently true. He was a player who looked good at Championship level, but with a less-than-earth-shattering season behind him. I think we've seen more unjust fee per value sales from this club in the past.
Yeboy-ya
White signed the deal he was originally offered so we can put that dowbn to loyalty - love of the club - promise of 1st team games
No, he signed an improved deal that he was offered later in the summer. You can put that down to loyalty, but you must also put it down to an extra effort from the club.
Yeboy-ya
Fair enough, though with the history of this summer's transfers we don't really have reasons to doubt that. That it is one or the other is debatable, but Warnock has explicitly said he wants another striker in, and that he will be a top C'Ship quality one, not just a run of the mill player. He has made it clear the Snodgrass money will be re-invested and the few more trustworthy sources in the press appear to validate this so far. 
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Yeboy-ya
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Aug 03, 2012 14:52
Wow that was a quick reply - - Good arguments also - I suppose time will tell
MOT
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dlw10
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Aug 03, 2012 16:06
bogdan
No, he signed an improved deal that he was offered later in the summer. You can put that down to loyalty, but you must also put it down to an extra effort from the club.
Do we know that for a fact Bogdan? I was under the impression he signed the original contract - when he found that no one else was prepared to give him a better deal.
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bogdan
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Aug 03, 2012 16:15
dlw10
Do we know that for a fact Bogdan? I was under the impression he signed the original contract - when he found that no one else was prepared to give him a better deal.
Well, it's as much of a fact as the alleged contract sums and things like that.
From the interviews I read/heard with Warnock and White just before and after he signed, that's the impression I got, that he had been given very low terms and in the end the club agreed to raise the ceiling. I assume the lack of impressive, concrete offers will have played a part probably, but I think it was a combination of contract expectations and alternatives.
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Pecky10
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Aug 03, 2012 16:32
bogdan
dlw10
Do we know that for a fact Bogdan? I was under the impression he signed the original contract - when he found that no one else was prepared to give him a better deal.
Well, it's as much of a fact as the alleged contract sums and things like that.
From the interviews I read/heard with Warnock and White just before and after he signed, that's the impression I got, that he had been given very low terms and in the end the club agreed to raise the ceiling. I assume the lack of impressive, concrete offers will have played a part probably, but I think it was a combination of contract expectations and alternatives.
I concur that I was under impression it was a revised deal too
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Pecky10
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Aug 03, 2012 16:33
In other news, we're becoming a feeder club for Toronto MLS; Darren O'Dea joins AOB with a move stateside
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isrodger
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Aug 03, 2012 17:07
Pecky10
bogdan
dlw10
Do we know that for a fact Bogdan? I was under the impression he signed the original contract - when he found that no one else was prepared to give him a better deal.
Well, it's as much of a fact as the alleged contract sums and things like that.
From the interviews I read/heard with Warnock and White just before and after he signed, that's the impression I got, that he had been given very low terms and in the end the club agreed to raise the ceiling. I assume the lack of impressive, concrete offers will have played a part probably, but I think it was a combination of contract expectations and alternatives.
I concur that I was under impression it was a revised deal too
Who knows but I suspect...( God i sound like bates) this is a case of a greedy agent and player failing to get a significantly better deal elsewhere ... His alleged demand of£14k wasn't met and the offer of say £7k was ped to £8k. They thought they could get much better elsewhere but as a fee was attached, they couldnt. I don't buy for one minute his new found love for our club.... The only player who came out at the end of last season and said he was keen to sort a new deal was clayton... The others have played a game of financial/clubs ambitions brinksmanship.
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