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[psquithy]

Maybe - I hope that is not the case though - are some people seeing the worst when if you look again things could be interpreted in a better light?

I commend your outlook. I mentioned in another thread about parks and lakes in other countries were nature and facilities for public use were looked after and embraced by all the community, no shopping trolleys in rivers or lakes no destrcution of property. I do feel we here in the UK are way behind when it comes to social behaviour. Long gone are the days when it was thought we set the standards.

It only needs one shopping trolly to be deposited by one person to make the local lake look bad even though it will have been visited by hundreds/thousands of locals - chances are that if there is not a shopping trolly it has been cleaned up by local volunteers - there are many local volunteering groups who spend their spare time tidying the environment and making the local are a much better place - have a look around, is there a local group who you can join to make your neighbourhood better - you will probably find there are many locals with a better community spirit than you believe exists.

Get out with your local conservation volunteers - a free day out - make the local area nicer and feel good about doing it.

[Selby White]

Maybe - I hope that is not the case though - are some people seeing the worst when if you look again things could be interpreted in a better light?

I commend your outlook. I mentioned in another thread about parks and lakes in other countries were nature and facilities for public use were looked after and embraced by all the community, no shopping trolleys in rivers or lakes no destrcution of property. I do feel we here in the UK are way behind when it comes to social behaviour. Long gone are the days when it was thought we set the standards.

It only needs one shopping trolly to be deposited by one person to make the local lake look bad even though it will have been visited by hundreds/thousands of locals - chances are that if there is not a shopping trolly it has been cleaned up by local volunteers - there are many local volunteering groups who spend their spare time tidying the environment and making the local are a much better place - have a look around, is there a local group who you can join to make your neighbourhood better - you will probably find there are many locals with a better community spirit than you believe exists.

Get out with your local conservation volunteers - a free day out - make the local area nicer and feel good about doing it.

Your last line reads like a very condescending attitude to me.

First how do you know Davy doesn't do voluntary work ?
He may or may not but I do know he has a full time job so not as readily available as others to do it.

I do know for fact a few members of this forum do voluntary work in one form or another.

Are you saying that if people volunteer to clear up someone else's mess anti-social behaviour should be accepted ?

Anti-social behaviour comes in many forms from minor offences such as Swearing in public, dropping litter and not picking up your dogs crap to the likes of vandalism, fly tipping, riding bikes on the pavement (you may think minor but not when they run into vulnerable people), graffiti etc.
Sadly in my opinion its becoming a lot more regular and accepted than it was 10, 20 & 30 years but why should it be ?

Any person in their right mind wants to live in a nice area with nice neighbours the world is far better that way.

[psquithy]

Sorry - I was not aiming my comments at anyone in particular, not even at anyone on the forum - just ranting in general.

[Deleted User 2747]

National Service should be brought back asap - 2 years from age 18. Looking back, it was one of the best things that happened to me in my life. Instilled discipline, responsibility, respect for others and respect for oneself. I don't think you will find an ex National Serviceman who will disagree. If you do, they will probably be in a minority of one! There were the odd ones who genuinely had a raw deal, particularly those who were 'deferred' - University students etc., and who went in in their early 20's. Always felt sorry for them as they didn't seem to fit in.

I don't agree at all. The world has changed. Young people have changed, pacifism is much wider spread these days thankfully. This would seriously affect the mental health of so many young people, to be forced into something they don't agree with. Young people have been increasingly neglected over the last decade or so. Many are further and further alienated in our society.

Perhaps you could consider that all young people should be supported into further education, vocational training or armed forces training if they so wish, so they can find their own version of self-worth, responsibility and contribution to society. What about community work? There is so much deprivation and decay in so many communities. This would perhaps be more worth while and a much wider scoped experience for young people, to learn respect for their world.

[Selby White]

Sorry - I was not aiming my comments at anyone in particular, not even at anyone on the forum - just ranting in general.

no problem sometimes things can be read different ways.

[Deleted User 2747]

Maybe - I hope that is not the case though - are some people seeing the worst when if you look again things could be interpreted in a better light?

I commend your outlook. I mentioned in another thread about parks and lakes in other countries were nature and facilities for public use were looked after and embraced by all the community, no shopping trolleys in rivers or lakes no destruction of property. I do feel we here in the UK are way behind when it comes to social behaviour. Long gone are the days when it was thought we set the standards.

I agree, you only have to look at the state that beaches have been left in recently. I don't think it is just young people that are taking part in this trashing of our communities.
I personally think it comes from the top though. A country that cares for all of its population and shows respect for all people and all things, will in time breed a population that reciprocates. There will always be the exception to the rule though.

I was brought up with the 'Keep Britain Tidy' campaign and ''take your litter home with you' posters. I am still always shocked when I see someone drop litter on the street.

[johnh]

National Service should be brought back asap - 2 years from age 18. Looking back, it was one of the best things that happened to me in my life. Instilled discipline, responsibility, respect for others and respect for oneself. I don't think you will find an ex National Serviceman who will disagree. If you do, they will probably be in a minority of one! There were the odd ones who genuinely had a raw deal, particularly those who were 'deferred' - University students etc., and who went in in their early 20's. Always felt sorry for them as they didn't seem to fit in.

I don't agree at all. The world has changed. Young people have changed, pacifism is much wider spread these days thankfully. This would seriously affect the mental health of so many young people, to be forced into something they don't agree with. Young people have been increasingly neglected over the last decade or so. Many are further and further alienated in our society.

Perhaps you could consider that all young people should be supported into further education, vocational training or armed forces training if they so wish, so they can find their own version of self-worth, responsibility and contribution to society. What about community work? There is so much deprivation and decay in so many communities. This would perhaps be more worth while and a much wider scoped experience for young people, to learn respect for their world.

99.9% of National Service recruits didn't want to go in either. Didn''t do their mental health any harm though, in fact, considerably strengthened it.

[Deleted User 2747]

National Service should be brought back asap - 2 years from age 18. Looking back, it was one of the best things that happened to me in my life. Instilled discipline, responsibility, respect for others and respect for oneself. I don't think you will find an ex National Serviceman who will disagree. If you do, they will probably be in a minority of one! There were the odd ones who genuinely had a raw deal, particularly those who were 'deferred' - University students etc., and who went in in their early 20's. Always felt sorry for them as they didn't seem to fit in.

I don't agree at all. The world has changed. Young people have changed, pacifism is much wider spread these days thankfully. This would seriously affect the mental health of so many young people, to be forced into something they don't agree with. Young people have been increasingly neglected over the last decade or so. Many are further and further alienated in our society.

Perhaps you could consider that all young people should be supported into further education, vocational training or armed forces training if they so wish, so they can find their own version of self-worth, responsibility and contribution to society. What about community work? There is so much deprivation and decay in so many communities. This would perhaps be more worth while and a much wider scoped experience for young people, to learn respect for their world.

99.9% of National Service recruits didn't want to go in either. Didn''t do their mental health any harm though, in fact, considerably strengthened it.

You are applying attitudes of decades ago to the present day. To be fair, you can't say what effect it had on the mental health or mental stability and capabilities of others. If it was good for you then that is good, but what counted for you does not and would not necessarily count for everyone, especially in a very different world.

A one size fits all approach doesn't work. Everyone is different and people respond to different things in different ways. This is why so many young people struggle, they have to be able to find their own way and their own place and they need to be supported. Mental health issues in young people have never been so many and are on the increase. Young people are increasingly having the rug pulled from under them. Some of us were fortunate enough to grow up with free education, and a world where the basics in life were easily available and affordable. This is not happening for many young people. Their future is being destroyed and taken away from them.

[Selby White]

National Service should be brought back asap - 2 years from age 18. Looking back, it was one of the best things that happened to me in my life. Instilled discipline, responsibility, respect for others and respect for oneself. I don't think you will find an ex National Serviceman who will disagree. If you do, they will probably be in a minority of one! There were the odd ones who genuinely had a raw deal, particularly those who were 'deferred' - University students etc., and who went in in their early 20's. Always felt sorry for them as they didn't seem to fit in.

I don't agree at all. The world has changed. Young people have changed, pacifism is much wider spread these days thankfully. This would seriously affect the mental health of so many young people, to be forced into something they don't agree with. Young people have been increasingly neglected over the last decade or so. Many are further and further alienated in our society.

Perhaps you could consider that all young people should be supported into further education, vocational training or armed forces training if they so wish, so they can find their own version of self-worth, responsibility and contribution to society. What about community work? There is so much deprivation and decay in so many communities. This would perhaps be more worth while and a much wider scoped experience for young people, to learn respect for their world.

99.9% of National Service recruits didn't want to go in either. Didn''t do their mental health any harm though, in fact, considerably strengthened it.

Can agree in part to what you are both saying here but the one thing I do believe is the government has a duty to its citizens to provide opportunity and not a living.
To explain my thoughts further because this is a very significant issue regarding young people.
School leavers should have good opportunities whether that is further education such as Universities or other areas. I actually believe too many are directed towards University education when we need a return to technical colleges where they can learn trades. The country actually needs Plumbers, Joiners, Builders, Electricians, car mechanics, nurses, agriculture etc among many other things (I'm sure we can all add).
The biggest mistakes the country has made in the last 50 years is the obsession everyone needs to go to Uni to be educated, no most need to start a career path as soon as they finish School. The most important thing to learn for school leavers is how to get out of bed in a morning.
Of course learning a trade also teaches discipline as you are reliant on others to teach you.

As a country we need to be able feed ourselves and build for our needs and look after each other.

Of course its not been helped by industry been run down and cheap imports, sad to say it but the government and Unions both have to share some of the blame for this. Not a blame game though the question is about looking forward and building a better place for everyone.

Of course if then there is nothing for a young person or they are incapable of bettering themselves when the opportunity is there then i will go along with John and a couple of years of tough discipline serving Her Majesty would do no harm at all.

I'm not political left or right I try to look at all situations and how they could be better and base opinion on that, wish more would do rather than the i swing to the left so the right are always wrong or vice versa i voted tory so the socialists must be wrong.

My thoughts are work together for a better world, we need the buisiness men to provide the work and the workers to provide the skills. What we don't need is the selfish spongers that are not prepared to put anything in. is it really too much to ask.

[Deleted User 2747]

National Service should be brought back asap - 2 years from age 18. Looking back, it was one of the best things that happened to me in my life. Instilled discipline, responsibility, respect for others and respect for oneself. I don't think you will find an ex National Serviceman who will disagree. If you do, they will probably be in a minority of one! There were the odd ones who genuinely had a raw deal, particularly those who were 'deferred' - University students etc., and who went in in their early 20's. Always felt sorry for them as they didn't seem to fit in.

I don't agree at all. The world has changed. Young people have changed, pacifism is much wider spread these days thankfully. This would seriously affect the mental health of so many young people, to be forced into something they don't agree with. Young people have been increasingly neglected over the last decade or so. Many are further and further alienated in our society.

Perhaps you could consider that all young people should be supported into further education, vocational training or armed forces training if they so wish, so they can find their own version of self-worth, responsibility and contribution to society. What about community work? There is so much deprivation and decay in so many communities. This would perhaps be more worth while and a much wider scoped experience for young people, to learn respect for their world.

99.9% of National Service recruits didn't want to go in either. Didn''t do their mental health any harm though, in fact, considerably strengthened it.

Can agree in part to what you are both saying here but the one thing I do believe is the government has a duty to its citizens to provide opportunity and not a living.
To explain my thoughts further because this is a very significant issue regarding young people.
School leavers should have good opportunities whether that is further education such as Universities or other areas. I actually believe too many are directed towards University education when we need a return to technical colleges where they can learn trades. The country actually needs Plumbers, Joiners, Builders, Electricians, car mechanics, nurses, agriculture etc among many other things (I'm sure we can all add).
The biggest mistakes the country has made in the last 50 years is the obsession everyone needs to go to Uni to be educated, no most need to start a career path as soon as they finish School. The most important thing to learn for school leavers is how to get out of bed in a morning.
Of course learning a trade also teaches discipline as you are reliant on others to teach you.

As a country we need to be able feed ourselves and build for our needs and look after each other.

Of course its not been helped by industry been run down and cheap imports, sad to say it but the government and Unions both have to share some of the blame for this. Not a blame game though the question is about looking forward and building a better place for everyone.

Of course if then there is nothing for a young person or they are incapable of bettering themselves when the opportunity is there then i will go along with John and a couple of years of tough discipline serving Her Majesty would do no harm at all.

I'm not political left or right I try to look at all situations and how they could be better and base opinion on that, wish more would do rather than the i swing to the left so the right are always wrong or vice versa i voted tory so the socialists must be wrong.

My thoughts are work together for a better world, we need the buisiness men to provide the work and the workers to provide the skills. What we don't need is the selfish spongers that are not prepared to put anything in. is it really too much to ask.

I agree with what you say here. Opportunity is everything and should apply to everyone.

I would add that when all else fails, then I think a 'community task force' would be a good alternative to the armed forces. There is so much work to be done everywhere.