LUFCTALK

Sniffer wrote:

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:Labour are starting to frustrate the hell out of me now. They changed their minds purely for political reasons because of the Lib dems resurgence and imo it doesn’t get much lower than that.
Make your minds up you spineless bunch of hypocrites and VOTE FOR THE DEAL.

You do realise that your mate Boris wanted to stay in the EU until he could see a way to further his political career.

Its funny how things work out. I voted for Corbyn because i knew he was a fervent Eurosceptic.

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:

Sniffer wrote:

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:Labour are starting to frustrate the hell out of me now. They changed their minds purely for political reasons because of the Lib dems resurgence and imo it doesn’t get much lower than that.
Make your minds up you spineless bunch of hypocrites and VOTE FOR THE DEAL.

You do realise that your mate Boris wanted to stay in the EU until he could see a way to further his political career.

Its funny how things work out. I voted for Corbyn because i knew he was a fervent Eurosceptic.

Well, yes. Much as I like old-time socialism, JC just comes across as a fence-sitter with his refusal to take a side on this now. Unfortunately this issue cuts right across party lines for various reasons. Within the Tories it was open warfare over Europe whereas Labour tried to keep it under wraps. The referendum ripped the wraps off.

I've got a friend who voted Leave. He is a socialist and fervently dislikes the Neo-liberal policies/behaviour of the EU but is horrified at the prospect of a Tory No-Deal Brexit.

rigger wrote:I think there'll be a lot of new nation states being formed over the next decade or so.

Catalunia is the obvious starting point, but Scotland won't be far behind at this rate.
A unified Ireland maybe ?
Cornwall ?
Yorkshire ?
Maybe not, but you never know ..

People keep saying about a vote here in N.Ireland for a united Ireland. I honestly think that the majority of people in the Republic wouldn't want burdened with another six counties draining resources. Would they have a separate vote to see if they wanted us? Independent N.Ireland would need to be added as an option in any vote.

Sniffer wrote:

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:

Sniffer wrote:

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:Labour are starting to frustrate the hell out of me now. They changed their minds purely for political reasons because of the Lib dems resurgence and imo it doesn’t get much lower than that.
Make your minds up you spineless bunch of hypocrites and VOTE FOR THE DEAL.

You do realise that your mate Boris wanted to stay in the EU until he could see a way to further his political career.

Its funny how things work out. I voted for Corbyn because i knew he was a fervent Eurosceptic.

Well, yes. Much as I like old-time socialism, JC just comes across as a fence-sitter with his refusal to take a side on this now. Unfortunately this issue cuts right across party lines for various reasons. Within the Tories it was open warfare over Europe whereas Labour tried to keep it under wraps. The referendum ripped the wraps off.

I've got a friend who voted Leave. He is a socialist and fervently dislikes the Neo-liberal policies/behaviour of the EU but is horrified at the prospect of a Tory No-Deal Brexit.

Tell your mate to sleep easy he's in safe hands with Oliver Letwin, Hilary Benn, Phillip Hammond et al. I just think Boris wanted to focus minds in a way that Theresa May was incapable of doing.

Davycc wrote:

rigger wrote:I think there'll be a lot of new nation states being formed over the next decade or so.

Catalunia is the obvious starting point, but Scotland won't be far behind at this rate.
A unified Ireland maybe ?
Cornwall ?
Yorkshire ?
Maybe not, but you never know ..

People keep saying about a vote here in N.Ireland for a united Ireland. I honestly think that the majority of people in the Republic wouldn't want burdened with another six counties draining resources. Would they have a separate vote to see if they wanted us? Independent N.Ireland would need to be added as an option in any vote.

Do you think that was going to happen anyway? I keep hearing through outlets in the MSM that there seems to be a appetite for it in NI?

Davycc wrote:

rigger wrote:I think there'll be a lot of new nation states being formed over the next decade or so.

Catalunia is the obvious starting point, but Scotland won't be far behind at this rate.
A unified Ireland maybe ?
Cornwall ?
Yorkshire ?
Maybe not, but you never know ..

People keep saying about a vote here in N.Ireland for a united Ireland. I honestly think that the majority of people in the Republic wouldn't want burdened with another six counties draining resources. Would they have a separate vote to see if they wanted us? Independent N.Ireland would need to be added as an option in any vote.

The latest polls I've seen Davy show roughly 62% of people in the Republic would like a united Ireland (those 2 words still feel strangely loaded to those of us of a particular age... )

While that number is way down from even 20 years ago, it should be noted that lot of those who favour it were simply asked if they would they like it, not would they actually vote for it if the economic realities were put before them. It is more of a romantic answer rather than logical.

It's much closer up your neck of the woods - last year 42% said that they would vote to join the Republic if there was a referendum, 45% said that they would rather remain in the UK and the rest were undecided.

Personally, as long as everyone stays safe and happy, it doesn't bother me what we are/aren't called

kk_white wrote:

Davycc wrote:

rigger wrote:I think there'll be a lot of new nation states being formed over the next decade or so.

Catalunia is the obvious starting point, but Scotland won't be far behind at this rate.
A unified Ireland maybe ?
Cornwall ?
Yorkshire ?
Maybe not, but you never know ..

People keep saying about a vote here in N.Ireland for a united Ireland. I honestly think that the majority of people in the Republic wouldn't want burdened with another six counties draining resources. Would they have a separate vote to see if they wanted us? Independent N.Ireland would need to be added as an option in any vote.

The latest polls I've seen Davy show roughly 62% of people in the Republic would like a united Ireland (those 2 words still feel strangely loaded to those of us of a particular age... )

While that number is way down from even 20 years ago, it should be noted that lot of those who favour it were simply asked if they would they like it, not would they actually vote for it if the economic realities were put before them. It is more of a romantic answer rather than logical.

It's much closer up your neck of the woods - last year 42% said that they would vote to join the Republic if there was a referendum, 45% said that they would rather remain in the UK and the rest were undecided.

Personally, as long as everyone stays safe and happy, it doesn't bother me what we are/aren't called

Spot on

I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure there are many like me. If, say, someone mentions a new player at the rugby club with the comment 'he's Irish'. It would never cross my mind to ask 'NI or RoI. I have always looked on 'Ireland' as 'Ireland'.

johnh wrote:I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure there are many like me. If, say, someone mentions a new player at the rugby club with the comment 'he's Irish'. It would never cross my mind to ask 'NI or RoI. I have always looked on 'Ireland' as 'Ireland'.

I think that may be an age thing, John.
I probably would wonder, purely from an accent point of view because I love differentiating between them all.

Without knowing enough about the politics to make any proclamations from that side of things, I always thought it was a shame that Ireland wasn't one whole nation. I went to uni with a couple of girls from Enniskillen (spelling ?) and worked in central London during the IRA bombings when we'd often be sent home (to the pub !!) early and there was a sense of foreboding at times, and I could never get my head around why they couldn't just be one nation.

Religion.
The scourge of humanity.