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I am a bit confused by this - extracted from here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52010073
On Monday 16 March, when there were 480 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the capital, this number doubled in two days. It was the same on Tuesday 17 March. But it took four days for the 1,221 cases registered on Thursday 19 March to double, reaching yesterday's total of 2,443.
Dr Michael Head of the University of Southampton says it's too early to say whether this was the result of earlier measures to encourage social distancing, or just "natural variation".
The fact that more people travel into and out of London from abroad or from other parts of the UK will also have contributed to the epidemic in the city, he says.
On the other hand, he doesn't think public transport in the capital is likely to have been a major contributing factor "due to the relatively short time periods of being in close proximity to an infected person" while travelling.
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psquithy wrote:I am a bit confused by this - extracted from here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52010073
On Monday 16 March, when there were 480 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the capital, this number doubled in two days. It was the same on Tuesday 17 March. But it took four days for the 1,221 cases registered on Thursday 19 March to double, reaching yesterday's total of 2,443.
Dr Michael Head of the University of Southampton says it's too early to say whether this was the result of earlier measures to encourage social distancing, or just "natural variation".
The fact that more people travel into and out of London from abroad or from other parts of the UK will also have contributed to the epidemic in the city, he says.
On the other hand, he doesn't think public transport in the capital is likely to have been a major contributing factor "due to the relatively short time periods of being in close proximity to an infected person" while travelling.
That last bit does sound silly, short journey or not (although some are over an hour) surely the virus will left be on seats and other parts of the carriage.
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He hasn't been on public transport in London for a while, has he ? :problem:

The average time to commute to work is at least half an hour. Even when I lived there - over thirty years ago - it would take an hour door to door to get, say, from my place to my work or a venue in the centre of town to meet friends. I lived on the Central Line too, so it wasn't like I was out in Barking or up in Uxbridge.

Even a bus journey of ten minutes will be dangerous because there are so many surfaces to contend with.
Once you're in the tube, you've got that plus all that stuffy air and an inherent proximity problem that's even more stark than with a bus.

Absolute nonsense from the prof there ..
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https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd ... bea055720b

Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study

New epidemiological model suggests the vast majority of people suffer little or no illness

If the results of the study are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

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But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.
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On the positive side, and in an attempt to put a brighter spin on things, I imagine that a lot of gardens are going to get a lot more attention this year - in the preparation if not the actual growing as Garden Centers and the like are shut. Maybe some innovative things to do in terms of landscaping etc. with oddments lying around in the garage?

Am working on a planting frame from a pallet that I was meant to dispose of ages ago :D
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Following on from Phoenix positive post :thumbup:

Whilst the gyms are shut, you can still exercise using items in the garage, I’ve taken to lifting wood, paint, chin ups on the joists, triceps dips on the garden bench, press ups, sit ups putting my feet in the bottom of the garden fence (loads of other stuff you can do too).
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Barlow Boy wrote:Following on from Phoenix positive post :thumbup:

Whilst the gyms are shut, you can still exercise using items in the garage, I’ve taken to lifting wood, paint, chin ups on the joists, triceps dips on the garden bench, press ups, sit ups putting my feet in the bottom of the garden fence (loads of other stuff you can do too).
Tried that but the fella in the Maxol wasn't too pleases.
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I got a bit upset about that "go out once a day to exercise" directive. Turns out its not compulsory. Phew.
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One Eyed Thompson wrote:I got a bit upset about that "go out once a day to exercise" directive. Turns out its not compulsory. Phew.
You're lucky mate. In Spain it's prohibited altogether. Think it's a 600€ fine ... and being enforced!!
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Just seen Prince Charles has tested positive to the virus.
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