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Barlow Boy wrote:Jack Clarke set to join QPR, on loan, just in time for Saturday.
Wonder if that’s Eze is on his way then.
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Barlow Boy wrote:Jack Clarke set to join QPR, on loan, just in time for Saturday.
I've a feeling it could be like groundhog day for him, watching Leeds sat on a bench ;)
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Let`s look at how the players who left in summer have done:

Pontus Jansson (Brentford): Played 25 games, no goals yet. 8 clean sheets for Brentford and they`re in 3rd position. Jansson also been captain of the team. Clearly a key player for what seems to be one of our toughest opponents. Could´ve been useful for us this season even if I think his replacement White is better.

Kemar Roofe (Anderlecht): 13 games, 6 goals & 2 assists. Injured in the first part of the season, then a good period. 1 goal in the last 6 games before the winter break. Anderlecht struggling mid-table. Could`ve been useful for us this season.

Caleb Ekuban (Trabzonspor): 8 games, 1 goal. Had a good start of the season (including 4 goals in 4 matches in the qualification rounds to Europe League!), then a fractured toe and he`s not been able to regain a starting position. Not a bad player but not good enough for us.

Bailey Peacock-Farrell (Burnley): 0 minutes played. On the bench only in the cups when Pope has been rested. Kiko is better.

Samu Saiz (Girona): Involved in 16 game, 0 goals and 2 assists (Spanish level 2). Seems like he have lost parts of his greatness.

Hadi Sackho (Denlizsbor): Involved in 15 games, 2 goals and 2 assists. Seems like he`s been playing more and more lately. Club is mid-table in Turkish top division, so the level is decent.

Aapo Halme (Barnsley): Played 19 games, starting most of them and scored 3 goals. Since end of December he`s been playing DM and not CB. Seems to develop nicely, but not good enough for us.

Clarke Odour (Barnsley): Involved in 7 games and have actually started the last 6 matches as left back (which Barnsley have won 3 and drew twice) so it seems he`s making a name for himself. However, he would’ve been behind Douglas, Alioski, Dallas and Davis so no problem that he left.

Malik Wilks (Barnsley): Involved in 15 games (820 minutes) and scored 1 goal. Not been playing since mid-november and is probably leaving already this window. Not good enough for the Championship yet?

Tyler Denton (Stevenage): Involved in 13 games and playing regulary lately. Still far from being Championship level.
Paudie O`Connor (Bradford): 13 games and 2 goals. Seems to play pretty regulary, but not good enough for Leeds.

Tom Pearce (Wigan): No idea what`s been going on. He`s only been on the bench 1 time in the league this season. Only game he`s played is the FA Cup 3rd round against Leicester. Not good enough.

Pawel Cibicki: Got 3 games in the autumn in Eresdivise for Den Haag. Now in some Polish team. Unfortunately, he was never good enough.

Oriol Rey (Valladolid): Played 19 games for their B-team (Spanish level 3). Scored 1 goal. Not surprisingly a bit away from playing at their first team (mid-table La Liga). Probably one of the better of the younger ones who left, but far away from our team.

Oliver Sarkic (Burton): Involved in 20 games (1250 minutes) in League One. Scored 2 goals, 1 assist. Far from being top Championship level.

Alejandro Machuca (Ibiza): Played 15 minutes in Segunda B (Spanish level 3). Not good enough.

Adrian Balboa (Lorca FC): Can`t find much info about him. His team is mid-table (Spanish level 4). Not good enough.

Hugo Diaz (Getafe): Played 19 games (1700 minutes) and scored 2 goals for Getafe B (Spanish level 3). Seems to play both CB and DM. Decent player, could’ve been a useful backup but nothing more at the moment.
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Polkadot wrote:Let`s look at how the players who left in summer have done:

Pontus Jansson (Brentford): Played 25 games, no goals yet. 8 clean sheets for Brentford and they`re in 3rd position. Jansson also been captain of the team. Clearly a key player for what seems to be one of our toughest opponents. Could´ve been useful for us this season even if I think his replacement White is better.

Kemar Roofe (Anderlecht): 13 games, 6 goals & 2 assists. Injured in the first part of the season, then a good period. 1 goal in the last 6 games before the winter break. Anderlecht struggling mid-table. Could`ve been useful for us this season.

Caleb Ekuban (Trabzonspor): 8 games, 1 goal. Had a good start of the season (including 4 goals in 4 matches in the qualification rounds to Europe League!), then a fractured toe and he`s not been able to regain a starting position. Not a bad player but not good enough for us.

Bailey Peacock-Farrell (Burnley): 0 minutes played. On the bench only in the cups when Pope has been rested. Kiko is better.

Samu Saiz (Girona): Involved in 16 game, 0 goals and 2 assists (Spanish level 2). Seems like he have lost parts of his greatness.

Hadi Sackho (Denlizsbor): Involved in 15 games, 2 goals and 2 assists. Seems like he`s been playing more and more lately. Club is mid-table in Turkish top division, so the level is decent.

Aapo Halme (Barnsley): Played 19 games, starting most of them and scored 3 goals. Since end of December he`s been playing DM and not CB. Seems to develop nicely, but not good enough for us.

Clarke Odour (Barnsley): Involved in 7 games and have actually started the last 6 matches as left back (which Barnsley have won 3 and drew twice) so it seems he`s making a name for himself. However, he would’ve been behind Douglas, Alioski, Dallas and Davis so no problem that he left.

Malik Wilks (Barnsley): Involved in 15 games (820 minutes) and scored 1 goal. Not been playing since mid-november and is probably leaving already this window. Not good enough for the Championship yet?

Tyler Denton (Stevenage): Involved in 13 games and playing regulary lately. Still far from being Championship level.
Paudie O`Connor (Bradford): 13 games and 2 goals. Seems to play pretty regulary, but not good enough for Leeds.

Tom Pearce (Wigan): No idea what`s been going on. He`s only been on the bench 1 time in the league this season. Only game he`s played is the FA Cup 3rd round against Leicester. Not good enough.

Pawel Cibicki: Got 3 games in the autumn in Eresdivise for Den Haag. Now in some Polish team. Unfortunately, he was never good enough.

Oriol Rey (Valladolid): Played 19 games for their B-team (Spanish level 3). Scored 1 goal. Not surprisingly a bit away from playing at their first team (mid-table La Liga). Probably one of the better of the younger ones who left, but far away from our team.

Oliver Sarkic (Burton): Involved in 20 games (1250 minutes) in League One. Scored 2 goals, 1 assist. Far from being top Championship level.

Alejandro Machuca (Ibiza): Played 15 minutes in Segunda B (Spanish level 3). Not good enough.

Adrian Balboa (Lorca FC): Can`t find much info about him. His team is mid-table (Spanish level 4). Not good enough.

Hugo Diaz (Getafe): Played 19 games (1700 minutes) and scored 2 goals for Getafe B (Spanish level 3). Seems to play both CB and DM. Decent player, could’ve been a useful backup but nothing more at the moment.
Thanks for putting together this interesting summary and analysis.

Regarding Pontus and Roofe can't help but think we'd all be more relaxed about this transfer window - and therefore chances of promotion - if they were still at Leeds.

Bielsa is, I think, on record saying that Pontus didn't have a good relationship with his teamates; I'd speculate that Roofe was something of an outsider as well.

So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
Might have to take an interest in the Premier League now....
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mapperleywhite wrote:So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
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I guess Bielsa thinks team harmony and winning stuff is connected...
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mapperleywhite wrote:
Polkadot wrote:Let`s look at how the players who left in summer have done:

Pontus Jansson (Brentford): Played 25 games, no goals yet. 8 clean sheets for Brentford and they`re in 3rd position. Jansson also been captain of the team. Clearly a key player for what seems to be one of our toughest opponents. Could´ve been useful for us this season even if I think his replacement White is better.

Kemar Roofe (Anderlecht): 13 games, 6 goals & 2 assists. Injured in the first part of the season, then a good period. 1 goal in the last 6 games before the winter break. Anderlecht struggling mid-table. Could`ve been useful for us this season.

Caleb Ekuban (Trabzonspor): 8 games, 1 goal. Had a good start of the season (including 4 goals in 4 matches in the qualification rounds to Europe League!), then a fractured toe and he`s not been able to regain a starting position. Not a bad player but not good enough for us.

Bailey Peacock-Farrell (Burnley): 0 minutes played. On the bench only in the cups when Pope has been rested. Kiko is better.

Samu Saiz (Girona): Involved in 16 game, 0 goals and 2 assists (Spanish level 2). Seems like he have lost parts of his greatness.

Hadi Sackho (Denlizsbor): Involved in 15 games, 2 goals and 2 assists. Seems like he`s been playing more and more lately. Club is mid-table in Turkish top division, so the level is decent.

Aapo Halme (Barnsley): Played 19 games, starting most of them and scored 3 goals. Since end of December he`s been playing DM and not CB. Seems to develop nicely, but not good enough for us.

Clarke Odour (Barnsley): Involved in 7 games and have actually started the last 6 matches as left back (which Barnsley have won 3 and drew twice) so it seems he`s making a name for himself. However, he would’ve been behind Douglas, Alioski, Dallas and Davis so no problem that he left.

Malik Wilks (Barnsley): Involved in 15 games (820 minutes) and scored 1 goal. Not been playing since mid-november and is probably leaving already this window. Not good enough for the Championship yet?

Tyler Denton (Stevenage): Involved in 13 games and playing regulary lately. Still far from being Championship level.
Paudie O`Connor (Bradford): 13 games and 2 goals. Seems to play pretty regulary, but not good enough for Leeds.

Tom Pearce (Wigan): No idea what`s been going on. He`s only been on the bench 1 time in the league this season. Only game he`s played is the FA Cup 3rd round against Leicester. Not good enough.

Pawel Cibicki: Got 3 games in the autumn in Eresdivise for Den Haag. Now in some Polish team. Unfortunately, he was never good enough.

Oriol Rey (Valladolid): Played 19 games for their B-team (Spanish level 3). Scored 1 goal. Not surprisingly a bit away from playing at their first team (mid-table La Liga). Probably one of the better of the younger ones who left, but far away from our team.

Oliver Sarkic (Burton): Involved in 20 games (1250 minutes) in League One. Scored 2 goals, 1 assist. Far from being top Championship level.

Alejandro Machuca (Ibiza): Played 15 minutes in Segunda B (Spanish level 3). Not good enough.

Adrian Balboa (Lorca FC): Can`t find much info about him. His team is mid-table (Spanish level 4). Not good enough.

Hugo Diaz (Getafe): Played 19 games (1700 minutes) and scored 2 goals for Getafe B (Spanish level 3). Seems to play both CB and DM. Decent player, could’ve been a useful backup but nothing more at the moment.
Thanks for putting together this interesting summary and analysis.

Regarding Pontus and Roofe can't help but think we'd all be more relaxed about this transfer window - and therefore chances of promotion - if they were still at Leeds.

Bielsa is, I think, on record saying that Pontus didn't have a good relationship with his teamates; I'd speculate that Roofe was something of an outsider as well.

So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
I believe both Jansson & Roofe we’re both popular, Bielsa just wanted Jansson out (not the case with roofe). Was speaking with Barnsley supporters- they think Halme has really come on, and will really develop, Wilks is just a big time Charlie. Their view Mowett is absolute class, I suspect he’s a bit like Neil Redfearn, a big fish in a small pond, thrives on being the main man, but but not quite good enough to make the step up.
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Polkadot wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
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I guess Bielsa thinks team harmony and winning stuff is connected...
Harmony to an extent, however there are always clicks & those disliked. I believe emlyn Hughes was disliked at Liverpool but captained the side, whilst Reaney was the odd one out at Leeds.
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isrodger wrote:
Polkadot wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
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I guess Bielsa thinks team harmony and winning stuff is connected...
Harmony to an extent, however there are always clicks & those disliked. I believe emlyn Hughes was disliked at Liverpool but captained the side, whilst Reaney was the odd one out at Leeds.
I remember Hughes falling out with Tommy Smith but always thought it was down to Smith getting replaced as captain. Never heard any other players disliked him.

As for Reaney that's also a new one, always thought one of the clubs strengths under the Don was team spirit.

Where have these things been said?
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Polkadot wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:So the question is: what's more important team harmony or winning stuff?
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I guess Bielsa thinks team harmony and winning stuff is connected...
Team harmony in my opinion is important let's be honest it's a team game.
That doesn't mean you can't win things with a odd player that doesn't fit but it's less likely.
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