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Just thought a Stats thread might be useful, so those interested can quickly find the data and refer to it when they want, without having to wade through multiple threads, as I tried to do yesterday.

Bring on those lovely charts and graphs.
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Good Idea have moved this from the staying up thread, don't think Nic will mind.
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Selby White wrote:Good graphic again Nic and I think we should be initially looking at teams within 3 points (one game) of us.

So with that in mind we are currently looking at positions 5th to 13th.

The only anomaly this season is a few teams haven't played their full quota of games due to cancellations.
Don't know if you can do it but one based on "points per game" would be interesting.
You mean such as
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Of course looking at PPG may well explain some of the anxiety around.

Last 2 seasons we've been around the top of the Championship, with a PPG of approaching 2.0. We were expected to win and any other results caused some anxiety because if teams also contenders for automatic promotion were also aiming for about 2 PPG, then relatively:
for every draw we would need to win a game to get back to where we were
for a loss we would need to win two games just to get back.

This season, if your main goal is to stay up, then teams would be looking for a PPG of 1.0 (to give 38 points for the season)
So if you draw a match then you remain roughly where you are above relegation
If you lose 2 games, then a single win gets you back on track.

We have just won 2 games back to back - the next four are a free hit for us, where any points moves us further into safety.
Yes that is good I do like these sort of statistics to monitor.
Interesting 4 teams less than 1ppg.

For this one I think currently we should make Chelsea and Southampton our targets while keeping above Arsenal & Wolves.
Of course depending how we do targets will be adjusted as we go.
Can you post similar when we reach the half way stage to see how it compares, then again at say 25 games and so on.
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Re: Statistics

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Just to make the page colourful

Here's is a chart of the current table with seasonal PPG plus current form (last 8) PPG which allows you to see if teams are doing better/worse than their seasonal average. Then looking at what would be needed for the rest of the season to end on a specific points total - do they need to maintain their form, improve, etc

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So, Southampton is the lowest placed team that can still reach 90 points
We can reach 50 points by getting an average of 1.23 PPG for the rest of the season, which is well below both our current and seasonal PPG
The bottom four all have PPG below 1.0 and so would need to start improving if they want to reach the dizzy height of 35pts.

Whilst not directly relevant, sometimes it's a case of how we are doing vs last season, if we'd gone up.

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Purely on points gained so far we are ahead of most of the lower down teams that avoided relegation - even above "newly promoted" Sheffield United, and Bournemouth who were flying high are dropping down after a series of losses.

Now are we above purely because we've played easier matches? Well if you reorganise last years results to match our play order this season, then most teams are still below us with Sheffield being above because they managed to get some surprise results against the bigger teams.

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We have kept more clean sheets than Liverpool and Tottenham this season.
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I love stats, but also love grammar. Could we please change the thread title to get rid of the apostrophe? :thumbup:
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Otherworld wrote:I love stats, but also love grammar. Could we please change the thread title to get rid of the apostrophe? :thumbup:
Done for 100% of the Posts :D
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Great idea this thread.
Love them tables & graphs Nic, keep em coming :thumbup:
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Not sure if this counts as stats or facts

Newly promoted Blackpool in 2010-11 were in 10th spot after 16 games with 22 points, but ended up being relegated in 19th with 39 points.
Mind you 17 from final 22 games is under 1 PPG, so long as we achieve that low target we'll be fine.

For the last 11 seasons the highest points total for the remaining games achieved by a team that has been still relegated is Bolton in 2011-12 who were on 9 points after 16 games and got 27 from the rest of the season and still went down.
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Nic wrote: Newly promoted Blackpool in 2010-11 were in 10th spot after 16 games with 22 points, but ended up being relegated in 19th with 39 points.
Mind you 17 from final 22 games is under 1 PPG, so long as we achieve that low target we'll be fine.
Was looking at the Blackpool season and the conclusion is that it was a bit of a freak year for the following reasons.
The teams were much closer after 16 games 3rd bottom were only 7 points behind Blackpool and bottom only 10.
39pts is one of the higher if not the highest total to be relegated for a long time.
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An Interesting Stat with regards to Bielsball and how he uses full backs as attackers more than anyone I can think of.

Over Last Season and this so far we can expect a goal in Open play from one of our fullbacks around every 4 games on average.

Not checked them all but Liverpool is a goal every 9 game and suspect they are among the better.

Think its due to the fact our fullbacks at times are used as a 2nd winger rather than a defender and its not unusual for them to burst into the opposition box whereas traditional attacking fullbacks more often stay wide and operate just on the flanks.
We know Alioski added to our fullback total versus West Brom but Stuart Dallas for Raphina's goal is a good example of the freedom they get. Not only did he play the key pass in the build up he continued his run into the box taking a defender and making space for Raphina to cut in to the shooting position.

Of course this forward running commitment can leave gaps but it pushes opponents backwards and is a big part of MBs system, gets players in the box unmarked and I love what it gives us.
We've had many great attacking fullbacks in our history Cooper, Dorigo, Kelly, Reaney, etc but you compare their goals per game (from open play) to our current batch it really shows how good the system is. Dreaming of those quality players in MB's system would have been amazing.
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