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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby White Knight » 06 Dec 2019, 11:26

There is a general increase in lawlessness within many sections of our communities over the last while. This coincides with a me, me, me attitude and an individualist approach to life today. Everyone seems to know their rights but very few their responsibilities.

We live in the country, on a quiet road leading to the local village. Everyday I have to pick up rubbish that has been thrown out windows of passing cars, who must be locals as they wouldn’t be on this road otherwise. It’s not a huge amount by any means but it is noticeable. It drives me mad! How can you feel that disconnected to your neighbours and environment to just casually sling things out a car window. I would love to see them fined massively for the first offense and their licence taken off them after that.

It is indicative of the core problem we face. They don’t see themselves as citizens of a state that they are invested in. There is no fellowship or consideration for others. Whether it’s coming from bitterness, ignorance, arrogance or malice the consequences for the rest of us are the same. The issue is that this permeates all of our society. The sins of the lowest classes or the abandoned in our society are easiest to see as it surfaces in obvious lawlessness, vandalism etc., but be under no illusion worse is being done by some in the middle classes and in the very well to do groups - it’s just not as obvious immediately. Not paying their fair share in taxes, manipulation of laws and regulations which ultimately impacts on everyone but they didn’t wear hoodies and run shouting through the streets as they steal and pillage.

All this shows in democracy. We give out about our politicians but we don’t get involved. Then we’re surprised when muppets step forward to fill the gap. Also, all politicians are voted in by a decent number of people so they reflect society whether we like it or not. It is the strength and weakness of democracy.

Our main problem is that there are no real leaders anywhere in politics. We need someone to sell a new vision that would make a real change and hopefully unite society in common beneficial aims. With climate change and enormous splits in our societies someone like this may be our only hope.

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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby NottinghamWhite » 06 Dec 2019, 11:41

Attenborough is classed by many as a nice area, idle place to retire to for us but these acts of vandalism is unacceptable. The hides on the reserve are well used but actually take stuff with the intention of burning them should if caught be given a custodial sentence. A couple of years back there was a spate of car thefts anyway one night as the lad responsible was breaking into a car the owner ( a rather large chap ) came out & laid into him. Someone phoned the police & due to the noise a lot of folk had come outside. The police turned up & seeing the state of the thief made their way to arrest the car owner who said the lad must be high on drugs as he kept banging his head on the kerb. Most if not all the neighbours were nodding & saying they couldn’t believe that the thief was banging his head, only the one arrest was made. Since that incident we’ve had no more break ins.
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby johnh » 06 Dec 2019, 13:34

We are fortunate. We live at the end of a long road which is a 'dead-end' road. No through traffic, vehicular or pedestrian. No one has ever had a break-in or crime of any type. Lost count of the number of times we have had someone to do a job and they say 'never knew this place existed'. It pays to be anonymous! :thumbup:
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Barlow Boy » 06 Dec 2019, 14:59

rigger wrote:When I talk to Jeanna about it, she just says "In my country, we'd kill 'em".
I'm not sure about that, but some form of more severe punishment would help, but who's gonna carry it out ?

If it’s child killers or child sex abusers, I’m more than happy to pull the lever or push the button. I’d do it for free too.
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby rigger » 06 Dec 2019, 15:16

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rigger wrote:When I talk to Jeanna about it, she just says "In my country, we'd kill 'em".
I'm not sure about that, but some form of more severe punishment would help, but who's gonna carry it out ?

If it’s child killers or child sex abusers, I’m more than happy to pull the lever or push the button. I’d do it for free too.


We've discussed this a lot, the two of us I mean.

The problem is proving any act of crime.
IF - and that's a big IF - it can be 100% proven (with DNA, for example) then for rapists I can see the argument.
For paedophilia it's trickier.
Bear with me.
There's a lot of research in the field and an experiment is being trialled in - I think - Germany at the moment.
A whole bunch of child sex offenders have been placed in a remote village. Together. As a community.
They're penitent and admit they have a problem and would like to stop themselves re-offending.
They're on drugs to limit their sex drive and they are not allowed to leave the town without authorisation. They look out for themselves and work together to build a new life, if that's at all possible.

I think it all comes down to whether you can accept paedophilia as a condition - like any kind of fetish or indeed like being gay or straight - that is pre-programmed and involuntary, subconscious, however you want to describe it. In other words, it's how someone's wired, like it or not.

If you can and you have a grain of humanity in you, surely this commune is a good thing ?

I liken it to how we deal with care in the community and mental disabilities (sorry for using that word but it makes sense for clarity).
In this country, we used to have "homes" for people with Downs or severe autism - in my lifetime, I'm talking.
These days, these people are much more involved with society at large and have a far better life with massively improved job prospects, longevity, etc. In short, they're recognised as part of the population and accepted.
My nephew and neice were over about 7 or 8 years ago as my sister had brought them from Jo'burg for a holiday.
The girl was shocked when I stopped and talked to a (very) autistic man that I knew from working in record shops - he used to come in and rearrange CDs that had been placed in the wrong sections as he had OCD. He was wearing slippers in the street because he had bad feet and he smelled a bit and spat when he talked and had greasy hair and didn't really care what he looked like .. but he cared that he was noticed and important and a real person. That simply wouldn't happen in South Africa. If there are people like that and they're white, they generally live in a special home somewhere well out of the way of the family; if they're non-white, they probably wouldn't survive long enough to be homed anywhere.

I'm glad we're progressive.
I'm glad we're aware we're still not doing enough.
That's how a civilised society should work.

I know I've rambled a bit on this, but it's not a simple case of capital punishment for me for some crimes.
I'm actually against it per se, but I know I'd change my mind if it happened to someone I loved, and I am aware that makes me a hypocrite.

I'd like to think we're above barbarism, but some people are born evil no matter what we do.
The trouble is, how do you know ?
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Deleted User 3289 » 06 Dec 2019, 16:22

Its just a part of growing up. Kids pushing the boundaries until they get caught, some then get banged up and then some of them will have a choice to make about their future direction. Class plays a major part, i mean you don't get to choose your parents unfortunately its all in the genes. I think too many people are quick to point the finger at the state, but the state is only a small part of the problem. Do we really need the state for a inclusive society? What happened to neighborly love. :shifty:

I think inequality has made some people feel worthless, inequality is forever being rammed down people's throats in the MSM (oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz), social media ect. People have moved away from the sense of community into a place where everyone feels they are hard done by at some level, and once you start thinking along those lines it can be difficult to recover imo. Hands up anyone who thinks its a romantic idea to live like the Amish?

I don't no if there will be a technological revolution that will change the world for the better, i mean were all connected here i guess, but i wouldn't count on it.

Antisocial behavior? No problem just send in the troops.

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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Selby White » 06 Dec 2019, 16:43

White Knight wrote: Everyone seems to know their rights but very few their responsibilities.


Well said WK, for me that hits the nail right on the head :thumbup:
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Barlow Boy » 06 Dec 2019, 16:45

Good post Rigger, and obviously I only agree with capital punishment if it was 100% certain that the perpetrator had committed the crime.

The whole rehabilitation thing doesn’t really wash with me I’m afraid. How many times do you read about a crime, murder, rape or whatever and the perpetrator has been in jail previously or is out on licence or tagged, we had it the other day with the terrorist in London (I appreciate terrorism is whole different debate). Whether a paedoephile is wired up wrongly, or not, surely we should be protecting society from them and getting rid of them, if it is a condition how do we know that they will not have a relapse after a few years and start committing their heinous crimes again. As you say, I suppose or comes down to whether you think it’s a condition or not and for me, even if it is, we have/must protect society and kids from them.

Thankfully, nothing of that sort has ever happened to me or my family, but as I said earlier, I’d happily pull the trigger on anyone who committed a child abuse crime to someone else, so I’m damn sure I’d do it for family. My dad says the perpetrator of child abuse should be put in a locked room with the family of the victim and let them deal with it, and rapists should have their bits cut off with a rusty knife so maybe that’s where I get it from but as I said the whole rehabilitation thing doesn’t really wash with me.
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Selby White » 06 Dec 2019, 16:55

Barlow Boy wrote: but as I said the whole rehabilitation thing doesn’t really wash with me.


Not me either I think statistics say 50% reoffend within 12 months of been released. Of course that's only those that get caught.

I really believe any funding available should be spent on victims of crime not trying to rehabilitate where there is little hope.
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Re: The blabla of the forum

Postby Barlow Boy » 06 Dec 2019, 17:00

Selby White wrote:
Barlow Boy wrote: but as I said the whole rehabilitation thing doesn’t really wash with me.


Not me either I think statistics say 50% reoffend within 12 months of been released. Of course that's only those that get caught.

I really believe any funding available should be spent on victims of crime not trying to rehabilitate where there is little hope.

I thought it was higher than 50%, but as you say SW, that’s only for crimes actually reported (many rapes aren’t reported as the victim feels ashamed or whatever) and those that actually get caught (again).

Whilst we are on the subject, life should mean life too, not these stupid recommend time frames.
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