Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

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Simple question should we stay in the EU or opt out ?

Poll ended at 26 Mar 2016, 18:48

IN
6
50%
OUT
6
50%
 
Total votes : 12

Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby Selby White » 11 Oct 2019, 17:22

Sniffer wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:
johnh wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:People in Sunderland voted strongly for Leave, yet many of them are employed by Nissan.

Nissan has now said that due to uncertainties about Brexit, especially the potential impact of no deal, it is considering scaling down operations there and transferring activities to Spain.

I knew quite a few people from Sunderland when I was at uni and they certainly weren't thick. But to be so small-minded and put your own livelihood at risk I really don't understand.


Don't understand your logic. The referendum was in 2016. The announcement by Nissan was in 2019. Please explain to me how Sunderland Brexit voters could be 'small-minded? (I am assuming that Nissan didn't tell its workers, in 2016, that if they voted leave, they would move their factory). In any event NIssan will never move. Significant costs and logistical problems, plus the threatened boycott of all Nissan products in the UK, would concentrate minds.
Just more 'Project Fear'.


Nissan chose to set up European manufacturing in the UK because of its tariff-free access to the European market and, presumably, because the Japanese are more likely to have a command of English rather than other languages. The prospect of an action that potentially jeopardises the market access, ie voting Leave, was there in 2016.


Honda have stood down a lot of workers in Bristol. I was speaking to one of them yesterday and he explicitly said that it was down to Brexit.


If that's the Swindon plant didn't Honda say they are closing anyway and it's nothing to do with Brexit?
Although believe it was the unions that blamed Brexit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-47287386
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Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby Sniffer » 11 Oct 2019, 17:38

Selby White wrote:
Sniffer wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:
johnh wrote:
mapperleywhite wrote:People in Sunderland voted strongly for Leave, yet many of them are employed by Nissan.

Nissan has now said that due to uncertainties about Brexit, especially the potential impact of no deal, it is considering scaling down operations there and transferring activities to Spain.

I knew quite a few people from Sunderland when I was at uni and they certainly weren't thick. But to be so small-minded and put your own livelihood at risk I really don't understand.


Don't understand your logic. The referendum was in 2016. The announcement by Nissan was in 2019. Please explain to me how Sunderland Brexit voters could be 'small-minded? (I am assuming that Nissan didn't tell its workers, in 2016, that if they voted leave, they would move their factory). In any event NIssan will never move. Significant costs and logistical problems, plus the threatened boycott of all Nissan products in the UK, would concentrate minds.
Just more 'Project Fear'.


Nissan chose to set up European manufacturing in the UK because of its tariff-free access to the European market and, presumably, because the Japanese are more likely to have a command of English rather than other languages. The prospect of an action that potentially jeopardises the market access, ie voting Leave, was there in 2016.


Honda have stood down a lot of workers in Bristol. I was speaking to one of them yesterday and he explicitly said that it was down to Brexit.


If that's the Swindon plant didn't Honda say they are closing anyway and it's nothing to do with Brexit?
Although believe it was the unions that blamed Brexit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-47287386


No it was Bristol. More correctly the docks at Portbury and Avonmouth.
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Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby Frankie » 12 Oct 2019, 10:31

Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:
Sniffer wrote:
Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/mar/18/tony-blair-profiting-housing-crisis-investment-property

I know its just one article and one opinion but it puts it better than i ever could.

I have to say my days of voting Labour are probably over.


Thankfully none of the Tories are interested in making money so it's OK to vote for them. :roll:


It would be interesting to know if he bought his property portfolio's before the 250% (estimate) rise in house prices under a Labour Government. I suppose its not a problem when you can afford to give your kids a treat.



Blair has little to do with Labour and hasn't for some time. He is not an MP and spends most of his time now, trying to undermine the Labour leadership. He is and was a charlatan like many politicians of all parties, he is a long way off being the only politician to have a property portfolio.

I personally prefer to ignore the MSM as we live in an era of vested interests, fake news and lies and in abundance.
I Look at official policies, and the key thing - voting records - of politicians and parties....these are readily available on the interweb.
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Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby Frankie » 12 Oct 2019, 10:34

rigger wrote:We're all innocent in all this, mate - that's the problem :(



Absolutely.

I don't think there has ever been a time to compare (in my life time), with regards to the lies and manipulation, propaganda etc...

We should all be vigilant and not take anything we are told at face value. investigate, research and enlighten....
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Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby johnh » 12 Oct 2019, 12:33

Frankie wrote:
rigger wrote:We're all innocent in all this, mate - that's the problem :(



Absolutely.

I don't think there has ever been a time to compare (in my life time), with regards to the lies and manipulation, propaganda etc...

We should all be vigilant and not take anything we are told at face value. investigate, research and enlighten....


Yes, I agree. The Treasury and Bank of England particularly have a lot to answer for.
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Re: Brexit - Yes or No? - Poll added

Postby Viduka Hits The Mark » 12 Oct 2019, 16:22

Frankie wrote:
Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:
Sniffer wrote:
Viduka Hits The Mark wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/mar/18/tony-blair-profiting-housing-crisis-investment-property

I know its just one article and one opinion but it puts it better than i ever could.

I have to say my days of voting Labour are probably over.


Thankfully none of the Tories are interested in making money so it's OK to vote for them. :roll:


It would be interesting to know if he bought his property portfolio's before the 250% (estimate) rise in house prices under a Labour Government. I suppose its not a problem when you can afford to give your kids a treat.



Blair has little to do with Labour and hasn't for some time. He is not an MP and spends most of his time now, trying to undermine the Labour leadership. He is and was a charlatan like many politicians of all parties, he is a long way off being the only politician to have a property portfolio.

I personally prefer to ignore the MSM as we live in an era of vested interests, fake news and lies and in abundance.
I Look at official policies, and the key thing - voting records - of politicians and parties....these are readily available on the interweb.


Generally agree with that. Once democracy is upheld, and Brexit is sorted and we have left, i will probably go back to knitting Union Jack cardigans instead.
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