Brussels Airport

[Davycc]

It seems that the airport bomb went off in the check in line so I wouldn't be surprised if security measures were brought in just for you to get inside an airport. Still if it saves lives the sooner it's implemented the better.

I've been discussing this here as Aviation Safety & Security Manager. A couple of years ago this was highlighted after an incident at Glasgow airport. Changes were then made to many UK airports removing the pick up/set down areas further away from the main terminal. Yes placing the security restrictions at the "front door" of airports would allow for a more relaxed transit through to departures but this would meant at least:

1. Major restructuring/building at every airport to move security etc. Too costly to the majority of smaller airports and it would surprise you the damage this could cause, even closures outside the top 5-6 airports in the UK.
2. You just end up moving a mass of people into an area before the security - still a target.

It a really tough one to call. People need to feel safe travelling but want to do it without hassle.

[Davycc]

... sadly the authorities are not prepared to bite the bullet to protect the majority.

What should they do then ?

Genuine question because I'm stumped ..

You can't guard against someone willing to walk up beside you and press a button. Believe me it's hard enough to deal with anyone intent to attack in public but nearly impossible when that person(s) are willing to take themselves out as well.

There is no definitive answer best we can do is a bit of everything.

[NottinghamWhite]

The death toll is now up to 31 & dozens of injured. So much for Islam being the religion of peace.

[Sniffer]

The death toll is now up to 31 & dozens of injured. So much for Islam being the religion of peace.

This has nothing to do with Islam. Daesh/ISIS/whatever you want to call it, is a terrorist organisation intent on gaining power and wealth.
It is piggybacking on Islam as (1) it is the fastest growing religion, and (2) it is the major religion in a region of the world that has become a basket case through war, regime-change, victimisation and exploitation.
Islam is also a convenient decoy to draw the fire of the West. Blaming the Brussels or Paris attacks on Islam will surely only make Muslims feel more under threat - which can produce more terrorists. If you're continuously being jabbed in the chest and being called Dirty Leeds Scum you will either lie down and take it (and feel sh*t for doing so) or you will snap and fight back.

That's just my opinion, of course. I also think all religions are inherently evil tools designed to control and manipulate the population. Just another opinion.
(note the ironic halo)

[Deleted User 728]

... all religions are inherently evil tools designed to control and manipulate the population ...

FACT

[Davycc]

Throughout history every war or conflict that has ever been waged had a very small group of people who hankered after power. Even causes that may have been genuine when first started are hijacked by people out for themselves.

[johnh]

The death toll is now up to 31 & dozens of injured. So much for Islam being the religion of peace.

This has nothing to do with Islam. Daesh/ISIS/whatever you want to call it, is a terrorist organisation intent on gaining power and wealth.
It is piggybacking on Islam as (1) it is the fastest growing religion, and (2) it is the major religion in a region of the world that has become a basket case through war, regime-change, victimisation and exploitation.
Islam is also a convenient decoy to draw the fire of the West. Blaming the Brussels or Paris attacks on Islam will surely only make Muslims feel more under threat - which can produce more terrorists. If you're continuously being jabbed in the chest and being called Dirty Leeds Scum you will either lie down and take it (and feel sh*t for doing so) or you will snap and fight back.

That's just my opinion, of course. I also think all religions are inherently evil tools designed to control and manipulate the population. Just another opinion.
(note the ironic halo)

Can't agree that it has nothing to do with Islam. The thousands of young men who join up with ISIS from Britain and other European countries do so because they are Muslim and want to fight for Islam. They don't go there because they are terrorists.

[isrodger]

... sadly the authorities are not prepared to bite the bullet to protect the majority.

What should they do then ?

Genuine question because I'm stumped ..

I am shocked more atrocities don't happen every time I get off the train @ kings cross I think how easy it would be to leave a case on there and detonate it 60 seconds later.

Regardless, I do believe it's time we got tough with the Islamic community. My view would be - Anyone leaving for Syria should never be allowed to return to these shores, their family should be under threat of deportation & their mosque interrogated. Look how many were interviewed @ Barclays for the libor rigging. We shouldn't be afraid to dig deep into their circle - they are a bigger potential threat than a load of bankers!

You probably won't like this but I'm sorry but 99 % of people who have committed these Attacks have had a brown face - maybe there is justification for positive discrimination in terms of searching a public venues. We all should carry a DNA ID card & be vat registered - sod civil liberties ... Your only infringed if you have something to hide.

Sadly I believe a large Majority of followers of Islam fail to integrate fully into British society, like Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Sikhs, largely do. Instead they expect the country they now reside in change around them instead, we are seeing elements of sharia law integrated into our own, whilst even kids exams are being moved to accommodate their practices.

Examples of practices that I believe need to be reviewed / banned, are:-
– Cruel halal, butchery being practised on these shores, indeed it is often the only option at certain fast food chains.
– The wearing of the burka - a symbol of female oppression; and let's not forget the issue of grooming & rape of hundreds of vulnerable white British minors in their community. We spend loads of money investigating 60's Saville gate when this is going on NOW, and the authorities suppressed it and continue to do so. There are also big issues around Child marriages, First cousin marriages, Anti-Gay laws, severe limitation on rights for women, genital mutilation, honour killings… the things we have fought hundreds of year to correct. Do you know British Pakistanis accounted for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders.

My views are probably deemed racist, but I am not focusing on a persons colour or origin but instead the destructive elements of a belief system that throws a significantly disproportionate number of issues such as above.

[Sniffer]

The death toll is now up to 31 & dozens of injured. So much for Islam being the religion of peace.

This has nothing to do with Islam. Daesh/ISIS/whatever you want to call it, is a terrorist organisation intent on gaining power and wealth.
It is piggybacking on Islam as (1) it is the fastest growing religion, and (2) it is the major religion in a region of the world that has become a basket case through war, regime-change, victimisation and exploitation.
Islam is also a convenient decoy to draw the fire of the West. Blaming the Brussels or Paris attacks on Islam will surely only make Muslims feel more under threat - which can produce more terrorists. If you're continuously being jabbed in the chest and being called Dirty Leeds Scum you will either lie down and take it (and feel sh*t for doing so) or you will snap and fight back.

That's just my opinion, of course. I also think all religions are inherently evil tools designed to control and manipulate the population. Just another opinion.
(note the ironic halo)

Can't agree that it has nothing to do with Islam. The thousands of young men who join up with ISIS from Britain and other European countries do so because they are Muslim and want to fight for Islam. They don't go there because they are terrorists.

We all have opinions, John. Mine is that those young men are deluded fools who have been fed bullsh*t by evil "clerics" who have weaved lies and hatred through deliberately misinterpreted parts of the Koran. Yes, maybe they are drawn in by an "idea" of Islam, believing they are going to fight to free the world of the decadent Western Infidels, to unshackle the chains of their brothers and sisters ... Sounds like a great adventure worthy of a Ripping Yarn.

[Deleted User 728]

maybe there is justification for positive discrimination in terms of searching a public venues

No, there can never be justification for that in my opinion.
That's a massive step backwards and part of the problem, not the solution.
It's morally wrong, end of story.
It's also the thin end of a long wedge that ends with fascism.

We all should carry a DNA ID card & be vat registered - sod civil liberties ... Your only infringed if you have something to hide.

And yet I don't mind this idea per se and never have, even when Thatcher suggested it.
France has had such a system for as long as I can remember and they have a law that you must carry it with you at all times and you must also have one Euro (or one Franc back in the day) as well. It's a historic throwback to being a republic and your rights as a citizen within it.
The trouble is, I think it would be another way for the Tories to eliminate one more level of society that would vote against them, just like the Poll Tax has turned out to be. You don't pay it, you save money but you also "don't exist" and can't vote.

As for views on the burka, again - you might think weirdly - I don't mind it's banning, at least in schools, but then like France again I don't believe religion should play any kind of part in the education system other than as a subject at university. They don't have hymns and prayers dans l'écoles.

The integration thing I also disagree with.
I think there's a whole layer of British society that isn't integrated : lots of Sikhs and Hindus don't mix in any normal way. They live in Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi areas, only ever deal with people from within that community and some rarely - if ever - speak English because they don't need to. I'm talking about the elderly and women predominantly, but how can this be called integration ?
Muslims I've known and worked and socialised with don't wear traditional religious clothing or live in ghettos.
I think they integrate perfectly well for the most part.

It's interesting what you say about children with recessive disorders and I don't doubt it's true, but that only backs up the lack of integration I'm talking about. British Pakistani was the term you used, not British muslim.


Anyway.
I'm not fighting you, just debating the issue, though I do think it would be a big mistake to actively "positively" search certain people - it happens already, just ask anyone of mixed/black/Asian descent. Institutional racism is a problem we don't need to add to.